Census Lookup - John Bruce

[Printer]

Hi,

I am seeking information on John Bruce (b abt 1837 Northumberland). He had a brother Thomas (b 1836 Alnham). Any Census details regarding parents and any other siblings. At one stage John Bruce was living at Backworth Colliery.  Thankyou.

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[AMBLY]

Hi Printer

If John BRUCE married, do you have him on any post-marriage census giving more than just "Northumberland as his place of birth? When was he living at Backworth Colliery?

From your other posts on brother Thomas, who married Elizabeth WANLESS - do you have their marriage certificate which might name his father?

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Hi again

Alnham being a small village
http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Alnham/

I wonder about this Census:

1851: West Cramlington Colliery - Cramlington, Northumberland
Head: Matthew NEWTON 33, Coal Miner, b Gosforth NBU
Wife: Elizabeth NEWTON 39, b Alnham NBU
Son: Matthew NEWTON 5, b Cramlington,
Son: Robert NEWTON 3, Cramlington,
Son: William NEWTON 8 mths, Cramlington,
Stepson: Thomas BREWIS 15, Coal Miner, b Alnham NBU
Stepson: John BREWIS 13, Scholar, b St John, NBU
Stepdau: Jane BREWIS 5, Scholar, b Cramlington,
HO107/ Piece: 2412 /  Folio: 549 /  Pg 14


MARRIAGE: Dec Qtr 1846 Newcastle on Tyne
Matthew NEWTON
Elizabeth BREWIS

In the 1861 Census, Thomas BRUCE b Alnham - his age is given as 35? Born abt 1826?
(In West Cramlington Colliery and a Grocer)

Cheers
AMBLY

[Printer]

Hello Ambly,

Thankyou for your help. I have only this month, quite by accident too, discovered that Thomas Bruce, who I couldn't find anywhere in Northumberland, was living in NZ! I have obtained a copy of his Will, and he named his brother, John Bruce of Backworth Colliery, his main beneficiary. The other beneficiary was his sister, Jane Besford, w/o Anthony Besford, of Shiremoor, Northumberland.  The Will was dated 1886 - Thomas Bruce died in 1887. 

Any information about these siblings would be appreciated. I have found Anthony and Jane Besford in 1881, living at Whitley. They had 7 children and I would like to know what became of them. Thankyou, hope this helps.

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[Michael Dixon]

Printer,

The Besfords on C1881 (5088-100-2) although living  within the "jurisdiction"
of Tynemouth(Parish) >Whitley(Township) >Cullercoats community, were in Duke St, within the colliery of Shiremoor ( Backworth was a neighbouring colliery)

Shiremoor hadn't enough  antiquity or "sway"at the time to warrant a mention. ( Although the enumerator makes this clear  where Shiremoor colliery sits, on his "description of the district" on page 5088-97)


Michael Dixon

[AMBLY]

Hi Printer

I was following the 1851 BREWIS lead, in effort to try and find  the requested  "....Any Census details regarding parents and any other siblings...." of John and Thomas.......
but after spending a bit of time following them around I discovered!!  you'd  already known of the Matthew NEWTON connection, where it was all pointed towards:
* Thomas and John having a younger sister named Jane,
* Their mother was (probably) Elizabeth nee BROWN who was first married to John BREWIS ,
* In  Census 1861 sister Jane is listed with her maiden name spelled as BRUCE in the household of Matthew and Elizabeth NEWTON,
* Elizabeth died later in 1861 and Matthew remarried 1865 to Rebecca SWINMORE.
All covered here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,299330.0.html
Not sure if you have the 1841 though,  for brothers Thomas and John, with their parents John and Elizabeth BREWIS:

1841: South Street - Parish of St Johns, Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland
HO107 -  Piece 848 / Book: 4 / Folio 8 / Page: 10
John BREWIS 35, Husbandman - Y
Elizabeth BEWIS 30 - Y
Thos BREWIS 5 - Y
John BREWIS 1 - Y
Matthew COLLINGWOOD 34, Husbandman, - Y

Considering son John was aged 1 in 1841, and aged 12 in 1851 - it seems more likely he was born 1838/1839 as  as opposed to abt 1837.
Says he was born in St John, (where he was living in 1841) so his birth will probably be under the Newcastle on Tyne District, and very possibly is this one:

Sep Qtr 1839 - John BREWIS - Newcastle on Tyne - Ref: Vol 25, pg 340

I think I've found him in the later Census - will post details up in a mo!

Cheers 
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

I think this will be John and his family 

1861: Village of Backworth, Earsdon, Tynemouth, Northumberland
(Private House)
RG9 -  Piece: 3847 /  Folio: 34 /  Pg 13
Head: John BRUCE 21, Coal Miner, b Newcastle
Wife: Elizabeth BRUCE 19, b Brunton NBU
Son: Matthew BRUCE 1 mth, b Backworth
Servant: Ellon GIBSON 20, Serv, b Cramlington
(All things considered, I would probably look for Ellon GIBSON as being a
relative of either John or Elizabeth)
(Think the baby Matthew here in 1861 died and they named their next born in 1862, also a son, the same name)

1871: Township of Backworth, Earsdon, Tynemouth, Northumberland
58 Waggon Way Row
RG10 -  Piece: 5128 /  Folio: 43 /  pg 16
Head: John BRUCE 31, Coal Miner, b Newcastle
Wife: Elizabeth BRUCE 29, b Fawdon NBU
Son: Matthew BRUCE 8, Scholar, b Earsdon
Son: Thomas BRUCE 6, Scholar, b Earsdon
Dau: Elizabeth BRUCE 4, Scholar, b Earsdon
Dau: Ann BRUCE 2, b Earsdon

1881: Village of Backworth, Earsdon, Tynemouth, Northumberland
16 Nthumberland Tce.
RG11 -  Piece: 5088 /  Folio: 36 / pg  12
Head: John BRUCE 42, Deputy Overman (Coal Miner) b Newcastle on Tyne
Wife: Elizabeth BRUCE 40, b Brunton NBU
Son: Matthew BRUCE 19, unm, Coal Miner (Putter) , b Backworth
Son: Thomas BRUCE 17, unm, Coal Miner (Putter) , b Backworth
Dau: Elizabeth BRUCE 15, b Backworth
Dau: Ann BRUCE 13, Scholar,b Backworth
Dau: Mary J BRUCE 8, Scholar, b Backworth
Dau: Margaret M BRUCE 6, Scholar, b Backworth
Son: John BRUCE 4, b Backworth
Dau: Isabella BRUCE 2, b Backworth

1891: Village of Allotment, Chirton, Collingwood, Tynemouth, Northumberland
15 Allotment
RG12 -  Piece: 4225 /  Folio 136 /  pg 8
Head: John BRUCE 51, Coal Miner, b Newcastle
Wife: Elizabeth BRUCE 49, b Newcastle
Son: Matthew BRUCE 28, unm, Coal Miner, b Earsdon
Son: Thomas BRUCE 26, unm, Coal Miner, b Earsdon
Dau: Mary Jane BRUCE 18, unm, b Earsdon
Son: John BRUCE 14, Coal Miner, b Earsdon
Dau: Isabella BRUCE 11, Scholar, b Earsdon
Son: Henry BRUCE 6, Scholar, b Earsdon

1901: Longbenton, Killingworth, Tynemouth, Northumberland
Turners Buildings, West Allotment
RG13  -  Piece: 4808 /  Folio: 100 /  pg 33
Head: John BRUCE 61, Coal Miner Stoneman, b Newcastle
Wife: Elizabeth BRUCE 59, b North Newburn NBU
Son: Matthew BRUCE 37, unm, Coal Miner Hewer b Newcastle
Dau: Mary J BRUCE 27, unm, b Newcastle
Dau: Isabella BRUCE 21, unm, School Teacher,  b North Earsdon
Son: Henry BRUCE 15, unm, Butcher's Apprentice, b North Earsdon
Boarder: Albert BISGROVE 33, unm, Coal Miner Hewer, b Redstock Somersetshire

10 identified children - possible BD's  for them:
Matthew BRUCE :  b Mar Qtr 1861 - d. Jun Qtr 1861, Tynemouth
Matthew BRUCE : b Jun Qtr 1862, Tynemouth. Unmarried and at home  up to 1901 age 37.
Thomas BRUCE : b Dec Qtr 1864. Tynemouth. Unmarried and at home up to 1891 age 26.
Elizabeth BRUCE : b Dec Qtr 1866 (or maybe Mar Qtr 1865)  Tynemouth. Last home age 15 in 1881.
Ann BRUCE: b Dec Qtr 1868, Tynemouth. Last home age 13 in 1881.
Mary Jane BRUCE: b Jun Qtr 1873, Tynemouth. Unmarried and at home up to 1901 age 27.
Margaret M BRUCE: b Mar Qtr 1875 (Margaret Maude). Tynemouth. 1881 is only Census with parents, age 6.
John BRUCE : b Jun Qtr 1877 Tynemouth. Last home 1891 age 14.
Isabella BRUCE: b Sep Qtr 1879 Tynemouth. Unmarried and with parents up to 1901, age 21
Henry BRUCE: b Sep Qtr 1884 Tynemouth. Still at home, an apprentice Butcher, in 1901 age 15.

The children who have left home before 1901
Thomas - to find 1901
Elizabeth - to find 1891 and 1901
Ann - to find 1891 and 1901
Margaret M(aude) - to find 1891 and 1901
John - to find 1901

Cheers
AMBLY

[Printer]

Hello AMBLY,

Thankyou so much.  That is so helpful and very much appreciated. I do apologise for omitting any reference to Matthew Newton in original query. That would have saved some time. Are you able to assist with Anthony & Jane Besford, or should I make a separate posting? Thankyou again.

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[AMBLY]

Hi Printer 
No problem! I'll have a look afterward for Anthony and Jane too - actually  I did find them in 1891 and 1901 and I think 1871 last night and had it all typed up - only to have the computer shut down mid-type due to  a power cut during the "Big Storm of the Decade" here last night (I'm down in Palmerston North way  , so I lost it all!  How did you fare 

I was just going to first  see if I can find the rest of the children of John and Elizabeth - the ones who'd left home before 1901 

Cheers
AMBLY