Jack & Annie Rowley, Hamilton, ON - Lost

[J.J.]

re: jorose's find : Annie Vernon - births June quarter  1880 Warrington vol.8c   p.205
NO Annie/Ann/Anne Harper born in that time period...
Have you picked it up yet?  J.J.

[kiddo]

Got it J.J.
The notes are still in my "shoebox". Seeing if there is anything new..
Kiddo

[J.J.]

Well I was just wondering, because... well, it is likely reaching a long distance, but maybe someone can prove this to be a red herring...There was an Annie Vernon baptized June 2 1880 Parr, Lancs... parents William Vernon & Esther...I looked for an Annie with a father William and none were born in the area that I could see...So I just looked for Esther & William & still didn't find them...Then I found a widower William in 1881..
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/Census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881BR_3906577
and then checked the Freebmd to find an Esther age 42 died 1880...so perhaps she died in childbirth? I looked to see if there was a death for the baby & there wasn't...

Now I couldn't find Parr for proximity to Warrington dist. but if the father gave up the baby she might have been christened anywhere...
My husband's ancestor was given to the grandparents...Sometimes the baby that lived was blamed for the loss of the mother... so just a thought, although I may be all wrong here, if someone wants to look into this avenue and review what I've found as my brain can't always keep up... Of course getting that birth cert would help.

I am thinking they may have adopted her ( as jorose also said) ..may be relatives...or just looking after her?

[jorose]

William Vernon m. Esther Harper in 1860 I believe (freebmd)

[J.J.]

Oh, man, jorose, you've solved it...I didn't look back far enough in years  or maybe just stayed in Warrington when I searched...duh! ( I know it no longer was a concern but still wanted to solve her origins)

[J.J.]

Robert was born Parr ( Eccleston / Parr, both in Prescot district)
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/Census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881BR_3842009
His parents were James & Ann so if a sister maybe this is her birth?
Esther Harper - born  April 15  1838   
Christened April, 23 1838 Winwick, Ashton-in-Mackerfield, Lancashire, England
James Harper &  Anne Name Note: 5th Child & 4th Daughter   
christenings for parents James Harper & Ann
Ellen -  1831 Saint Helens
William - 1832 Saint Helens
Mary - 1834 Saint Helens
(David - 1835 Manchester?)
Ann - 1836 Winwick
Esther- 1838
James 1840 Winwick

Robert is listed, but as a submission...but they also have Esther born 1833, Wm 1830, etc.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/family_group_record.asp?familyid=359724502&indi_id=100418202964&lds=1&region=2

[Jacquie in Canada]

I think I may have found William and Esther on board a vessel called the Flat John on the 1861 census.

William Vernon, married, 33, master, born Liverpool
Jonathon Vernon, widower, 55, mate, born Northwich, Cheshire
Esther Vernon, married, 23, wife of master, born Sutton, Lancashire
(Piece: 4506; Folio: 220)

On the 1871 census in Warrington is:

Esther Vernon, wife, married, 32, waterman's wife, born Lancashire, Ashton
George Vernon, son, 9, born Lancashire, Warrington
Mary Ellen Vernon, daughter, 6, born Lancashire, Warrington
Margaret Vernon, daughter, 4, born Lancashire, Warrington
Amelia Vernon, daughter, 1, born Lancashire, Warrington
Esther Lee, sister, married, 36, born Lancashire, Warrington
Ada Lee, niece, 2 months, born Lancashire, Warrington
(Piece: 3903; Folio: 22; Page: 1)

Esther Lee is actually Esther's sister-in-law. There is a marriage for Esther Vernon in Warrington in the 3rd quarter of 1863 that has a Joseph Lee on the same page (vol 8c, page 155). This family certainly matches up with the one JJ found on the 1881 census.

I think the 1881 census that had Annie Vernon listed with the surname Harper was a mistake by the enumerator when transcribing the census. It is certainly possible he got over-zealous with the ditto for the surname and relationship.

Jacquie

[J.J.]

That's what I thought at first too, Jacquie...But she isn't with the family in later censuses? William had a large family on his hands, perhaps Esther's brother may have agreed to raise her...but I guess he might just be looking after her for a while...and maybe she is helping with the baby rather than living with Annie Bigland...she is listed as her cousin.
Wonder if we can ever find her marriage to a Rowley? I found a marriage U.S. 1920 for an Annie Vernon Harper, & got all exited...but it was to a Percy T. Campbell.

[Jacquie in Canada]

It is possible that William thought his eldest daughters could help with some of the children but a baby may have been too much. Like you said, we also can't assume that because she was on the census with the other families that she was living there permanently.

Jacquie