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[BumbleB]

Hi Shirley:  I've been into the Archives today and can confirm that there was a marriage in Bolsover between John Frost and Elizabeth Marsh on 7 June 1787.  However, there was no further information in the BT.  I also had a try for Elizabeth Marsh's baptism in Smalley - and guess what - there is a gap in the BTs including 1771    so sorry, I've drawn a blank on that one for you.

BumbleB

[dobfarm]

Hi Shirley.

I'll check Elizabeth Marsh bapt 1771 on  the church register records at Chesterfield social studies Library on fiche as not in BT's Litchfield as BumbleB's look up.

Parish registers and poor law records for Trusley, 1538-1981  Church of England. Parish Church of Trusley (Derbyshire)
 Parish registers for Smalley, 1626-1985  Church of England. Chapelry of Smalley (Derbyshire)

[Shirles]

Hello Bumblebee and Dobby

You have both been working very hard on my behalf, thankyou ~ I think Elizabeth's baptism in Smalley could be the right place.  But I am having difficulty thinking they were married in Bolsover in 1787 but not having children until 1807.  Unless there were other children I don't know about
of course.   I had been thinking because of her age that it was not her first marriage.

Incidently her 'second' child with John Frost Snr was a daughter 'Mary' in 1811 in Arley, Warwickshire, wouldn't it have been great for her to be named 'Dorothy', that would have clinched it for me ~ but no help there either!!

I'm not too worried about the variation in her age on the census Dobby, as you rightly say it is not unusual to have these discrepancies.

Lots of food for thought, watch this space.

Many thanks for your help especially today.
Best wishes
Shirley

[dobfarm]

Hi Shirley,

Yes your right to have misgivings and its early days.

The age on these post 1837death certs taken as must be right as gov.

My Gt Granny was 20 at marriage 1867 & died aged 60 1902

and signed X thus  but was educated at counting in 10's and not in halves 0.5 -50% or dived by 2.=1/2 or 5years round offs

My oldest known on my mums side Phoebe Tidmarsh died 1852 age 83 on death cert- on the 41c age 60 on the  51c age 72  buried at  Temple Balsall churchyard on her head stone age 72.

As siblings of 1787  Bolsover are in hugh wallis bolsover

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyDerby_(A-M).htm#PageTitle

John could be problems 1793 could have died  as infant & 1807 2nd John child then  moved on after last entry

If she was married before then you've a life time work. but ! think not.

Another marriage still out there round 1797-1806 but can't rule out 1787

the normal marrying age . = 1785-1795 of 20 to 30 years old at marriage

5 years diff at death age ~ marriage years out by + 10 years to the norm

funny old world

I'll confirm Eiz marsh 1771 bapt smalley

good hunting

Doddy

[dobfarm]

Hi Shirley,

Yes your right to have misgivings and its early days.

The age on these post 1837 death certs taken as 'must be right' as gov.

My Gt Granny was 20 at marriage 1867 & died aged 60 1902

and signed X thus  but was educated at counting in 10's and not in halves 0.5 -50% or dived by 2.=1/2 or 5years round offs

My oldest know on my mums side Phoebe Tidmarsh died 1852 age 83 on death cert- on the 41c age 60 on the  51c age 72  burreid at  Temple Balsall churchyard on her head stone age 72.

As siblings of 1787  Bolsover are in hugh wallis bolsover

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyDerby_(A-M).htm#PageTitle

John could be problems 1793 could have died  as infant & 1807 2nd Johnchild moved on after last entry

If she was married before then you've a life time work. but ! think not.

Another marriage still out there round 1797-1806 but can't rule out 1787

the normal marrying age . = 1785-1795 of 20 to 30 years old at marriage

5 years diff at death age ~ marriage years out by + 10 years to the norm

funny old world

I'll confirm Eiz marsh 1771 bapt smalley

good hunting

Doddy

[dobfarm]

My own final opinion

Post one  request on first letter of word F-i-n-c-I-e n
 
                                                               F-i-n [d]-e-n

They'ed been walking out together 10years or living over the brush

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First name John

Last name: FROST   

Date of burial: 18 Jul 1833

Age at death: 64

Calculated year of birth: 1769

Place of burial: Osmaston by Ashbourne

Dedication: St Martin

County: Derbyshire

Notes: 

~~~~~~~~

Osmaston by Ashbourne St Martin:

Denomination: Anglican

John Frost Bapt 28th July 1768 in St Oswald Ashbourne Derbyshire

Married Elizabeth Green in Derby city Derbyshire
 23 November 1803

Elizabeth Green bapt 16 th Nov 1769 Littleover/ Finden Derby Derbyshire
 on the Ashbourne Road between Ashbourne and  (But nearer)Derby

No one can be certain on anything pre 1837 but this one is better than most
 
 

[dobfarm]

Hi

Now I'm convinced

Games set and match

IGI Lds

Elizabeth Frost

Baptism


22 SEP 1805   Ashbourne, Derby, England

Father John Frost

Mother Elizabeth
 

[maidmarianoops]

WOW GOOD SLEUTHING
SYLVIA

[Shirles]

Hi Doddy

BRILLIANT ~ I am just going back to the drawing board on this to see if it all fits.

Not sure about the mistype or mistake Dave can you say again please?

Thank you for all you have done, I'll be back as soon as I can.

Best wishes
Shirley