BURNS-from Killyleagh, Down, Ireland to New York

[murphy60]

Oh my gosh!!   You are kidding ??

I didn't see the tree you are describing.  The one I found was Lattimer-Burns family listing Mary A. Keating for Edward's wife.   I searched for James and entered his parents and wife 1st names and it was the only hit.

Well it wouldn't be the 1st person who got scared off...... uh, and it IS obsession      but thanks,  John for calling it thoroughness.... you are being so kind!

Gail will have lots to go through including the discovery of several kindred researchers.

[murphy60]

Just to temper the accuracy of "trees".....there is a tree for "our" Edward that also has him w/ 2 wives  --   Mary Keating is #1 and #2 Elizabeth McIllton  with the children mixed up in the birth order between them!   Can't be sure of everything you find there.....and obviously someone didn't bother to confirm w/ the census or other forms of verification.

And also, did you see  the Edward (different Edward) with a spouse named "German Girl from the Boat"...now there's some dandy research for you!!

Ancestry has the tree you found, Shelly  AND the one I found.   Rootsweb only has the tree I found.   

Tricky Those Trees 

[GDaniels]

Hello Everyone;
Sorry I'm been unwell and unable to answer all the messages.  Heavens to Betsy you all have given me a lot to look and and figure out I cannot thank you enough.  But where to begin?  Oh well, I would rather have too much than not enough.  I will try and digest all of this.  Did not know about the two trees but I will definitely check them out.

But was wondering if anyone had found any information of Edward in Ireland?  When he left as my information from all the US census I could find each one of his dates of entry change, depending on what census I look at.  That is why it is hard for me to trace him in Ireland and get his parents and siblings and get their names, and any information as to when he really left there.  So if anyone can find that it would be fantastic.

But I really appreciate all that you have given me and I promise I will be back with more questions than I have answers  But then isn't that always the way it is when we try and find our lost relatives.

God bless you all for all your help you will never know what this means to me,  I really cannot believe all that you all have found. 
Gail

[shellyesq]

Glad you're back and hope you're feeling better!

One of the trees, the one that I mentioned likely having the wrong 1930 Census attached, lists Edward as being born Jan. 1864 in Killyleagh, Down, Ireland.  The other one, which looks like it has the death certificate information and gives his parents' names as Simon Burns and Katherine Murphy, says he was born 27 Jan 1864 in Ireland.  If those are right, maybe something can be found from there.  If you have a subscription to Ancestry, maybe you contact the people who put up the trees. 

[murphy60]

Hi Gail,  glad you are feeling better and good to hear from you!

As Shelly said there are some possibly new bits above and on those trees that were found to take your guy back to Ireland.   Maybe more for the experts on the Ireland board to work with.  Has anyone found anything for you over there ??  Hopefully the finding of a possible maiden name for Mary Burns will also help in that regard.

Here in the US,  we often have to work forward 1st before we can work backward as Immigration records are not very good before the late 1890's. Often the US census sightings and other records will provide more details as to the immigration dates and extended  family names, occupations, locations, etc..  Since you didn't give us those details, we had to find them in order to see if we could find or link any other --  or potentially new --  info.    I searched the Passenger Records --  and so did Shelly --  even considering Edward's ever changing immigration dates and could not find one for him.  Could be lots of reasons for that.

The Irish wall  --  nemesis to many of us!!

Best of  Luck in your further investigations!

lissa

[GDaniels]

Hi Shelly and LisaM and all that helped in the search:
I believe that I am totally confused at this stage.  Buy I know that I have been able to trace my father Francis J. Burn with Brother John M.,  to his father, Francis P. Burns, to Edward Burns of Tolland, CT. 

I was in touch with another Gail Burns who was doing a family tree on Burns (Edward) she  had married into the Burns family.  Her husband was the great grandchild of John J. Burns, son of Edward and Mary, of Tolland, CT but she was not able to give me a lot of information other than John was born in NY as was his sister and that the whole family moved to Tolland, CT.  That is where I found them in the census.  As I tried to trace Edward and Mary back I could not find them in NY but did not have the access  and the knowledge that you people have, as to how to look for them.  I also had trouble reading the date of entry to the US.  I have not been able to find their entry into the US anywhere.  I didn't know to keep the birth and marriage date checked so that I could trace that way. 

I did know that my grandfather moved to Hartford Ct after he married and that is where my father was born, then they (he and wife and son) evidently moved to Massachusetts, for that is where his brother my uncle was born in Boston but I have not been able to find out where they lived or when they left Massachusetts for Florida.  I do know that my father died in Florida along with his parents and brother.
I have the death records of my grandparents from Florida and my father and his brother in Florida as well.  I was able to get my fathers Army records which gave me his father's and mother's names along with other information.

I will try to get a look at the family tree that you speak of Shelly on Ancestry,  You all have given me such great information and I truly appreciate the time that you all took to look into this for me.  Maybe now I will be able to find his parent in Ireland if it turns out to be a good trail, which it looks like right now.

Again, I cannot thank you all enough, you have stirred me into action again.  I had almost given up trying to find any more than the bits that I had.  But I have learned a valuable lesson here, which I think is Keep digging and somewhere someone will lead you to the information you seek.
Gail 

[murphy60]

..... and often when and where you least expect them !!!   New records become available all the time.

After you organize your old and new info and mull things over, something may pop out at you.  Finding people on passenger lists is a tough search.   Any thoughts on whether Edward and Mary came direct from Ireland or through England or Canada then to the US ??

Any idea if Edward and Mary married in the U.S.  or in Ireland ??

lissa

[GDaniels]

LissaM
That is the whole problem in a nut shell.  I really don't have any idea as to where they came from or if they were married prior to coming to the US or after they arrived.  I guess I will just keep on plugging away in hopes that I find something.   I have already tried to reach the person that Shelly mentioned in regards to the tree in hope there might be a lead there.  Hopefully they will answer soon.
Gail D

[murphy60]

Let me rephrase,  after gathering all the info you have,  any working theories on Edward and Mary's  "story" ??

While you are waiting for others to reply, maybe pursuing Mary and Edward's exact deaths -  certificates, obits --  might lead to  confirming Mary's maiden name and maybe Edward's parents names??    You might be able to make headway on that from local library and State Vital Records, local genealogy resources, etc.