BURNS-from Killyleagh, Down, Ireland to New York

[GDaniels]

Looking for the emigration of Edward Burns (my g-g-g-grandfather) and wife Mary D. Burns (don't know if he was married before he left Ireland) from Killyleagh, Down, Ireland to New York  around the year of 1880-1883.   I know that they settled in Tolland Connecticut.  And that he was a Mill worker.  I have that information but I have not had much luck tracing his entry into America or back in Ireland.  I have just found out that he came from KILLYLEAGH, Down Ireland.  I am hoping someone can help me locate his trip to American.  Also if he came with wife Mary or if he married once here in the states?  He was born in 1864. I do not have his parents names either so any help there is much appreciated.

Any and all help will be much appreciated and if there is anything I can do for anyone I am willing to try.

Thanks much
Gail

[murphy60]

Hi Gail,  Welcome to Rootschat!   

In 1920 Census  there is Edward and Mary  in Tolland w/ their 5 daus (Marguerite, Agnes, Mabel, Irene, Beatrice)  He works in a Woolen Mill.   His Immigration date says 1868  and hers says 1870.

In 1930 in Tolland Co., CT  widower Edward  w/ 3 daus (Margarite, Irene, Beatrice)  immigration date is 1867  ??

Correct family ??

Why are you thinking he came over in 1880-1883 ?? 

You mention tracing "entry into America or back in Ireland"   Did he come and go back??

lissa

[shellyesq]

I see Edward, Mary, and children James, Elizabeth, Edward, Francis, Mary, and Margaret in 1900 in Vernon in Tolland County, CT.  It says she immigrated in 1883, he immigrated in 1898, and they had been married for 17 years.  He was a woolen mill finisher.  Their two oldest children (born 1885 & 1887) were born in New York and all the ones from 1891 and thereafter were born in Connecticut, so that gives us some idea where they were, if that's the right family.  Sounds like maybe Edward made a trip home around 1898.  The youngest child was born Oct. 1898, so guess he was around his wife in February or so.   

The same family appears to be in Rockville in Tolland County in 1910, with a few more kids.  In that one, his immigration date looks like 1867 and hers looks like 1884.  These people sound a bit confused on when they arrived. 

[murphy60]

Here's the whole story....  they are consistent w/ their birthdates and marriage just not with the immigration ??


1900 Vernon, Tolland, Connecticut  Lawrence Street

Edward M Burns 36  Jun 1864 Ireland Immigration: 1898  NA Pa In U.S. 2 years  ?? think this may be an error confusing his immigration with his Naturalization date  ??  Occupation:  Woolen Mill Finisher
Mary Burns 36   May 1864 Ireland  Married 17 Years (1883)   7 Children born/6 living  Immigration:  1883 in US 17 Years
James J Burns 14  Nov 1885 NY  Occupation:  Shearer @ Woolen Mill
Elizabeth Burns 13 Apr 1887  NY
Edward W Burns 8  Nov 1891CT
Francis P Burns 7 Feb 1893  CT
Mary A Burns 4  Jul 1896 CT
Margeret Burns 2  Oct 1898 CT


1910 Rockville Ward 3, Tolland, Connecticut  Lawrence Street

Elward [sic]  Edward  W Burns 46  1864 Ireland Parents: Ireland Immigration: 1887 transcribed but looks like 1867 on actual  to me --  ink is faint on the “6” Occupation:  Finisher Woolen Mill
Mary A Burns 45   Both Edward and Mary Married Once been Married 26 Years (1884)  11 Children Born/10 living  Immigration Year:  1884 
Elizabeth M Burns 22  NY Works in Woolen Mill
Edward W Burns Jr 19  CT  Clerk @ Grocery Store
Franics P Burns 17  CT Works @ Woolen Mill
Mary A Burns 14  CT
Margaret T Burns 12  CT
Agnes J Burns 9  CT
Mabel J Burns 9  CT
Irene M Burns 4  CT
Beatrice Burns 1 7/12  CT


1920 Rockville Ward 1, Tolland, Connecticut  Prospect Street

Edward W Burns 55  1865 Ireland  Parents:  Ireland  Immigration Year:  1868  NA 1889  Finisher @ Woolen Mill
Mary A Burns 55  1865  b. Ireland Parents:  Ireland  Immigration:  1870
Margerite Burns 21  CT Stenographer/Insurance Co.
Agnes I Burns 29  CT  Envelope Maker @ Envelope Plant
Mabel I Burns 19  CT Spooler @ Silk Mill
Irene M Burns 14  CT
Beatrice K Burns 11  CT


1930 Rockville, Tolland, Connecticut  Vernon Township   looks like Prospect Street
 
Edward W Burn Widow 66  1864 Ireland (Irish Free State)   F:  Scotland M:  Irish Free State  Immigration:   1861 crossed out  1867 written in above  Cloth Finisher Woolen Mill
Margaret D Burn 31  CT  Single Secretary/Insurance Office
Irene M Burn 24  CT  Single Typist/Insurance Office
Beatrice K Burn 21  CT  Single Stenographer/Insurance Office

Not too many gaps in the birth order....so  if he went back to Ireland he wasn't away for long!!

Maybe Gail has some more info to pin things down a bit further.  Right now, we have
Edward Imm 1867-1898  and  Mary 1870-1883
Marriage 1883/1884
1st (living)  Child b. 1885 in NY

[shellyesq]

According to the 1940 directory for Rockville, Vernon, Ellington & Tolland, Edward W. Burns died 2 Aug. 1938 at age 74.

[murphy60]

Directory Listing for Rockville and Vernon 1890, 1891
Edward W. Burns
Occupation: Employed 
Business Name: A. M. Co.  71 West Main 

Shelley,  his bd still remains consistent!!!

Not having any luck trolling the Passenger Lists 1882/1884   

[shellyesq]

Nothing turned up in the passenger lists for me, either. 

If you don't have his parents' names, you might try getting his death certificate.  Check here:  http://www.ct.gov/dph/cwp/view.asp?a=3132&q=390664  Also, you might want to try to get his obituary.  Occasionally, good details like parents' names, when they married, or when the person came to the US might pop up.  You could try contacting the local library in Rockville/Vernon or look on raogk.com for a volunteer.

I saw in the 1908 Rockville directory that James J. Burns removed to Clinton, Massachusetts.  If you want to figure out where they were in New York when the two older kids were born, he's probably be the easier one to follow, since the other was female and may have married.  His place of birth might show up on some vital record or draft registration card.

1910 Census, Clinton, Worcester Co., Mass., 4 Henry St.
Burns, James J.S., age 25, married once, number of years of present marriage - 0, born NY, parents born Ireland, occupation - cloth inspector, Worsted Mill
wife Mabel R., age 26, married once, number of years of present marriage - 0, mother of 0 children, born Connecticut, father born Connecticut, mother born Canada - French, no occupation
Also living with them are sisters-in-law Grace M. and Hasel M. Falber.

1920 Census, Coventry, Kent Co., Rhode Island, 19 Main Street
Burns, James, age 35, married, born New York, parents born Ireland
I'm having a hard time getting the image open now, but he's living with wife Mabel, age 35, son James, age 9, daughter Norma, age 1 year and 9 months, and sister-in-law Grace Falter or Faller, age 25.

1930 Census, Coventry, Kent Co., Rhode Island, 70 Maple Station
Burns, James J., age 45, married for 25 years, born NY, parents born Ireland, overseer at Worsted Mill, not a veteran
wife Mabel, age 46, married for 25 years, born Connecticut, father born Connecticut, mother born Canada - French, no occupation
son James E., age 19, single, born Massachusetts, father born NY, mother born Conn., no occupation
daughter Norma C., age 10, single, born Rhode Island
son Russell, age 9, single, born Rhode Island
daughter Marion, age 5, single, born Rhode Island
son Donald, age 2, single, born Rhode Island

[murphy60]

Good job, Shelly!

WWI Draft Registration  dated Sept 12, 1918 
James Joseph Burns
Permanent Residence:  Washington, Kent, RI
Age 34   BD:  October 1, 1884
Occupation/Employer:  Overseer @ Livingstone Worsted in Washington, Kent RI
Contact:  Mabel R. Burns in Washington, Kent, RI
Tall, Med Build Brown Hair and Eyes

His birthdate is different from the 1900 census (Nov, 1885) might place his parent's marriage date late, 1883 to early,1884

[murphy60]

1920 & 1930  Rockville Ward 4, Tolland, Connecticut   Living on Nye

Edward W Burns 28  1892 CT Finisher Woolen Mill
Mary A Burns 25  CT
Rita G Burns 3 10/12  CT


Edward W Burns 39  (189)  CT  Age @ 1st Marriage:  24   Store Manager for a  Chain Grocery
Mary A Burns 35  CT Age @ 1st Marriage:  21
Rita G Burns 14  CT
Father in Law Patrick Hagan 68    b. Ireland    Widow   Immigration:   1888   Weaver in Woolen Mill


WWII Draft Registration  on April 27,  1942
Edward William Burns
Address:  10 Nye Street Tolland, CT
Age: 51   Birth Date: 16 Nov 1890 in Rockville, Connecticut
Tel. Rockville 912-3
Person who will always know your address:   Mrs. A. Smith @ 10 Nye Street, Tolland, CT
Occupation/Employer:  Store Manager  for Trust National Stores, Inc.   East Hartford, CT
5’9” 150#  Ruddy complexion  Grey Hair  Blue Eyes  Glasses

1900 Censu has Edward bd as Nov 1891   ---   1 year off  --   must be how the questions was asked ??