Lady Ellisha Mathew

[wyseass]

Just had a quick look on the web and this crest seems to be used in the middle temple where barristers are in London, it was originally used by the the Knights Templar in the crusader years.  My husband's father had the crest when he became a barrister in the middle temple at the inn of law, and he remembers his father taking him there and showing it to him.

[Bgrizzo9468]

Dear Wyseass,
I attach a pic. of the silver salver passed-on to me by my Mother.
The pic. is the best I can do, with a difficult subject.
The origin of the salver is cloudy, I was told that it represented the family crest of Mathews.
The links to Lady Ellisha Mathew,are at best--Tenuous.
I have attempted to contact Ballymena Academy to establish a link with Marcus B. Mathews's Father & Grandfather.
Any facts that I may obtain will be passed-on.
                               Many thanks for the contact,
                                      Brian McDonnell.

[wyseass]

Sorry can't seem to be able to see the picture, I am obviously doing something stupid.  Do you know of any reason for the family to use the name Marcus or Beresford?  I can't seem to find any link apart from the fact that Beresford was the Archbishop at that time and the family were very prominent in Ireland.

[exilewa]

I stumbled upon this fascinating discussion by chance but hope I can add a little to it.  With reference to the Wade family, my mother is a sister to James and Josie (the last survivor of that generation) and was raised in what was then the lodge house to the Castle.  It remains the family farm to this day and is run by one of my cousins.  My Uncle James was father to Tommy Wade and his numerous siblings.  As a child I visited the famous showjumper "Dundrum" on a number of occasions and Tommy Wade did indeed win a lot of competitions in Europe and the UK.  I also visited the Castle a number of times as a child and clearly remember the gardens which were elegant even then (the 1960s and 70s).  I have a lot of happy memories of the area and remember Thomastown well although it is a lot bigger these days.  In terms of other names that have been mentioned, my grandmother (James' mother) was a "Breen" and related to Dan Breen, the man credited with leading the first armed act of the Irish Uprising.  For a time he was one of the most wanted men in Ireland.  I have a lot more blather about the families that lived in Thomastown if anyone is interested.  Life is strange as my mother now lives near Hickstead after she moved to England.  She married my father who owned the farm across the road from the lodge house to the Castle but they left Ireland not long after.

[wyseass]

I can see the photo now, thanks.
"Vincula Temno" - "I despise bonds" - an odd phrase and apart from it being the family motto for the Sinclair family seems to have something to do with archery?  No idea what.
I still think it is all to do with masonry.   But not being a mason I have no idea.

[Bgrizzo9468]

Dear Wyseass,
The same symbol appears on the Mathews Signet rings.
I had one & my Brother,Rodney, had one also.
There could be a connection also, to Masonry, Marcus B. Senior was quite high-up in Irish
Masonry.Exactly what position I dont know.
My Mother was in possession of her Father's regalia,Sword etc. What happened to it all, I dont know,my Brother & I were not allowed to play with the bits & pieces,for obvious reasons!.
                                                         OK,
                                                   Brian McDonnell.
PS. I have just remembered---my signet ring  actually belonged to Marcus B. Senior,my Brothers was a copy.
PPS. My wife & I also have a few pieces of Mathews Silver----Teapot,Cream jug,sugar bowl & cutlery----all with that Symbol engraved
on them,passed-on by Mother.

[Tref]

I am a Mathew of Llandaff origin now in Australia tracing some history great to read you discovery trail. No history of such emblems in this part of the family we are part of the remaining remnant from Wales.

[sbwelsh]

Tref; Please excuse me for popping in.  I am a descendant of a John Mathis born before 1690 in Merthyr Tydfil, Wales.  John changed his name from Mathews to Mathis when he came to The United States.  This is where my info hits a dead end.  If you have any information on this man and his parents/family, I would be forever grateful. 

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Martha Powell Caparell
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[wyseass]

If it isn't anything to do with the masons, do you think it might be something ito do with the "orange order", because the fily seem to have been involved in that in their day?