Lady Ellisha Mathew

[maria_]

Another one from Dom....

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=seAKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54&dq=Montague+MATHEWS+,+(Lt.Gen.)&source=bl&ots=orkOnLalWT&sig=0QZboM78bZHwQYWS-UstNyhinIA&hl=en&ei=TS3nScfoNsHJ-Aaf-qjVBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10#PPA54,M1
Check out page 54 for the family crest and motto. I wonder if the crest is the same as the one on the silver salver given to Marcus when he retired?

The solution to the added 's' may  be Thomas Mathew's marriage to  Mary Mathews of Dublin - their children were Francis (first earl) and Catherine-Ann-Maria, who married twice and died without issue. Though Mary dropped her 's' when she married Thomas...Hmmm...
Scroll down for Thomas Mathew:
http://www.thepeerage.com/p23201.htm#i232009

If the missing links can be found (the big family secret ? around Francis, his sister Ellisha/Elisabeth and the Welsh (Llandaff) and Irish (Thurles and Thomastown) estates and the birth of  a 'natural' son in Paris c. 1765 and/or George IV's possible hidden son/s), it seems we could be in some way connected to a line of Welsh princes that is traceable back to the 4th century.

http://martinrealm.org/genealogy/mathew.htm

See pages 332-333 of this for genealogy of the Tipperary branch:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=qYFuFfd2kakC&pg=PA105&lpg=PA105&dq=Catherine+Mathew+Philip+Roe&source=bl&ots=0a5efVxfE-&sig=4CklLF-MvMjSklazlmcnCu4LeqQ&hl=en&ei=ZzbnSbywKZm7_AaezejPAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#PPA333,M1

 

[maria_]

and the last one to date....


My first thought on looking at George of Hanover in the first pic was that he's rather like Dad. Have another look at the pic of our Ria-discovered relative Chris Mathews though!

Here's another of 'Prinny'..
http://media.photobucket.com/image/george%20IV/mariaFitzherbert/George/George_IV_bust1.jpg

Here are the three brothers Francis James Mathew, Montague James Mathew and George Toby Skeffington Mathew - dandies and men-about-town in London, credited with the invention of the beaver hat, and other sartorial innovations such as recipes for boot-blacking - nephews of Lady Ellisha, and quite the antedote to their cousin the Apostle of Temperance, it seems...

http://www.bridgemanartondemand.com/art/169475/A_Welch_Tandem_published_by_Hannah_Humphrey_in_1803

http://www.bridgemanartondemand.com/art/169499/The_Three_Mr_Wigginss_published_by_Hannah_Humphrey_in_1803

To elaborate on yesterday a bit, as Francis, the eldest legitimate son and the second earl, was busy selling off most of the Welsh and Irish estates to fund his dandy lifestyle in London, Fr. Theobald Mathew (son of the natural James) was incurring massive debts to fund his temperance tours of the UK and USA, on the unkept promise that Lady Ellisha would leave him what was left. The Viscomte de Chabot, who inherited Thomastown against the family's wishes, became the French Ambassador to the UK..
http://www.thepeerage.com/p3540.htm

I wonder how he managed to keep his stable during the Famine of the 1840s...
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&hl=en&tab=wl

...and here's Lady Ellisha's will, which apparently mentions her 'son', William Fitzwilliam Mathew of the Bengal Lancers, somewhere...
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/DoLUserDownload/dommat1@yahoocouk/prob/11/1959/0/315.pdf




Back in Wales, here's Llandaff Court (rebuilt in the 18th C., and now used as the Cathedral School)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/186/372175682_e897705aab.jpg?v=0


and the remains of its predecessor, Llandaff Castle:
http://www.cavinguk.co.uk/holidays/Cardiff2006/normal/LlandaffCastle.jpg

and here, one of the Mathew tombs in Llandaff Cathedral:
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Victoria_Park_Canton.jpg/180px-Victoria_Park_Canton.jpg&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canton,_Cardiff&usg=__OMPC6bwe5yPqMYL4uT985iJLWX4=&h=148&w=180&sz=12&hl=en&start=8&um=1&tbnid=8IocB0-flUY3VM:&tbnh=83&tbnw=101&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmathew%2Bchapel%2Bllandaff%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfi refox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1

 and this article gives info about the move from Llandaff/Radyr to the Thurles estate in Ireland in the 17th C.: - the Tipperary generations are then clear.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radyr

Going back a bit, here's some info about Meirchion (Latin: Marcianus...!!!), whose grandfather Cunedda came down from southern Scotland.
http://www.earlybritishkingdoms.com/bios/meircmmd.html

The Beresford connection looks like it could be with the Beresfords / de Pouys of Waterford in the 18th/early 19th C. Haven't found it yet though.

The big missing link is somewhere between 1790s and 1830s. Is it Rev Robert Mathew of Ballymena or his brother Captain William Fitzwilliam Mathew of Bengal? I've  come across Mathew as a surname down generations in India again and again, too.

Finally. ..whatever the link is from this to the ensuing generations, it seems to be a hell of a story.

[wyseass]

I was sent this by a cousin, and thought that you might be interested.
It puts forward a few questions like:
Why was he diaconised at Dublin Castle and not at church?
Why was the service conducted by Bishop of Cloyne and not Dublin?
Some other things interesting at the time are:
The Bishop of Dublin at the time was Beresford.
King George IV had left Ireland after a visit 5 days before this took place.
Any knowlege or ideas from anyone would be good.
This is the first document that places the man at a specific place and at a certain time, which is great!

[cmathews]

I know I promised to dig this photo out ages ago, but at last I found it in a shoe box inside a blanket box in the spare bedroom while poking around looking for our wedding album to show the kids !

This is a photo taken in the early 1960's of an oil portrait of the Rev Robert Mathews M.A. (T.C.D) - not sure what the T.C.D. is.  Some notes with it from my Grandfather (Reginald Russell) state 'Born 1798 Cashel' and 'brothers Thomas and James'

That's it for now - Enjoy!

[sbwelsh]

Looking for Parents of John "The Great" Mathis of Tuckerton, New Jersey, US who was born John Mathews in 1690, Merthyr Tydfil, Wales.   

[cmathews]

In response to questions about Crests and Signet rings, my family are all given a signet ring on our 21st birthday.  It bears no resemblance to anything I have found for the Mathews family, but seems to be something to do with Frederick Albert  « see top image in Reply #26 on: Saturday 03 January 09 20:29 GMT (UK) »

Has anyone else seen this before ?

[Bgrizzo9468]

From Brian McDonnell,
T.C.D.is  Trinity College Dublin, My Mother was Mary Humphrys Mathews.
She is pictured sitting on Annies knee in the Mathews family Photograph
taken in Grafton Street ,Dublin.


Moderator's Comment: photo of living person removed

[Bgrizzo9468]

How nice to hear from you.  I have found you on the family tree my late uncle gave to me, and am delighted that you got in touch.
The whole crux of it is to discover finally who were Rev. Robert Mathews parents, as this has never been done with proof.
I am also now trying to find a connection between the Mathews and Beresford's, as the use of the name 'Marcus Beresford' by Frederick Mathews for his son has intrigued me.  There must be a reason to use another family's names.  I just need to find it, so any info. on that would be much appreciated.
Marcus Mathews (Banker in Northern Bank), was joint manager of Henry Street, Dublin.  Promoted to manager of Grafton St in 1904 and then further promoted to Secretary of the Northern Bank in 1927, when he moved back to Belfast.  This info. is got from "Irish Times" archives, which I can access at the library.
I can't tell you how thrilled I am to hear from you, and I'm sure ChrisPage will agree.

[wyseass]

The ring looks like it has something to do with the masonic order.  I really don't think it is a family crest.