John Black/Isle of Lismore

[MonicaL]

  This is one of the links we were looking for to connect your Agnes to the family of Donald and Catherine Black. From 1881, there is this entry:

Donald Black 79 Lime Stone Miner b. Lismore
Catherine Black 72 b. Lismore
John Black 26 son Engine Smith b. Lismore
John McKechnie 11 grandson b. Glasgow
Archibald McKechnie 8 grandson b. Glasgow

Address: Auchnacroish Miner Ho, Lismore

Monica

PS: We can ignore the other 1881 entry for a John McKechnie showing in Rothesay I think 

[rebeccamary]

I think I may have the 1883 birth date wrong for Archibald, apologies! (I'm new to this so still find dealing with a lot of dates quite overwhelming).

I just re-checked Archibald's 1903 marriage cert which lists his age as 31, so it's likely the same Archibald you found born in 1871. It also lists James as being deceased, but Agnes is still alive.

From the information you have gathered Archibald must have been born in Glasgow (as this makes more sense), and John may be his older brother. Thank you so much for that

The record of Agnes you found is really interesting, I wonder why she was moved around so much? 

[rebeccamary]

Oh wow, wow.

I know I sound like a broken record, but thank you

That's very interesting, but once again, where is Agnes?! She seems rather elusive 

[MonicaL]

At that time, young people, children really, were sent to work outside the home for financial reasons not surprisingly.

Agnes may or may not have remarried. Given that both John and Archibald show with Agnes' parents in 1881, maybe James died around this time and Agnes had to work to maintain herself and contribute to the boys' upbringing?

Have to switch off now (real life takes over in the morning!).

Monica 

[rebeccamary]

Learning all this has been so exciting. Thanks
Have a great day!

[Rosinish]

Just an observation from an earlier post but having been scrolling & reading I have forgotten who's post so quote;

"1841 Census Argyll Civil parish Lismore parish no: 525

Donald Black 30 joiner b Argyll
Arch Black     60 cotton [that's all that's written] b Argyll
Catherine Black 30   b Argyll"

Likely Arch Black possibly father, something to think about as I see from reading the rest of the thread that the name Archibald does pop up?

Annie

[Rosinish]

I have purchased the 1851 census you found in Baligrave which lists an Ann Black however I can't make out her birthplace. I've attached it in case anyone can help with deciphering it

Yes, she married James McKechnie in 1868. I'm having trouble locating her in later census' though, including her son, Archibald McKechnie. 

Hi RM,

I think original 1851 entry looks like "Ard....." maybe ending in 'ie' which could be of course 'ey' written how it sounded? but I can't see a place name that fits in Lismore, sorry.

You could try the "Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition" board/forum on here, just a thought?

Annie

[MonicaL]

Likely Arch Black possibly father, something to think about as I see from reading the rest of the thread that the name Archibald does pop up?

Annie, from Doddies' post much earlier on we had parents for Donald and Catherine from their death certs as:

Donald Black (1801-1891). Parents: Duncan & Ann Black (no maiden name given).

Catherine McIntyre (c. 1810-1887). Parents: Dugald & Katherine.

This fitted with the 1841 census posted by Debbie also earlier:

1841 Census

Balevolan, Lismore, Argyll

Anne Black, F, 65, born Argyll
Anne Black, F, 30 born Argyll
Archibald Black, M, 1, born Argyll
Catherine Black, F, 30, born Argyll
Christy Black, F, 3, born Argyll
Donald Black, M, 35, born Argyll
Duncan Black, M, 75, born Argyll, occ:Tenant
Duncan Black, M, 25, born Argyll
Flory Black, F, 50, born Argyll, occ: Ind
Duncan McCaig, M, 10, born Argyll, occ: Hew
Catherine McIntyre, F, 15, born Argyll, occ: Female Servant

Guess for you Rebecca now would be good to find out what happened to James McKechnie and Agnes Black  Agnes seems to be the forgotten one from this family from what I can see on other's family trees. There is still confusion of course as to whether there were actually daughters born Ann and Agnes.

Billy, you mentioned on the monumental inscription for Donald and Catherine a reference to daughter Ann?

Monica

[MonicaL]

Possible entry for Agnes/Ann in Glasgow for 1881:

Ann McKechnie 45 laundress b. Lismore Argyll
Address: 15 Braid St, Glasgow/Milton

The original entry would show whether this Ann showed as a widow or not (unfortunately the trasncript does not have this info).

This entry might link to this one in 1891:

Agnes McKechnie 53 formerly laundress b. Lismore Argyll
Address: Cotters House, Lismore

Monica