Bird family Guernsey

[ceronn]

Hi, By studying the 'short pedigree' which was included in the diary of J.B. I have ruled out Henry, John, James, and George Pace who died young. William we know is ruled out, as all born in Guernsey.That leaves Edward and Richard and Joseph.
I will see if the FHS has anything on William b.1806
I realised , after I posted, that Edward was the youngest ,
when I read more carefully.The best would be to try to find a descendant.
Ceronn.

[ceronn]

Hello Nev,Bill and Mary Sue,
Edward Bird b.1773 in Cardiff married Margaret Bevan on 20 Nov. 1796 in Llansannor, a small village near Cowbridge. The children were Edward b.8th. May 1798 , address Duke St. Cardiff Father's occupation plummer, mother Margaret.   James b. 15.August 1802 mother Mary, father's occupation ironmonger.Address Angel Street Cardiff. William  b. 10th. July 1805 , father's occupation ironmonger,Angel Street, mother Mary. Jane b. 20th. January 1808 , father's occupation ironmonger, mother Margaret, address Angel Street. Three boys and one girl baptised at St. Johns Cardiff.
William sounds like the one who did well in London.
It is thought that the names Margaret and Mary refer to the same person.
Sincerely Ceronn.

[Bill1]

I found this link as it relates to John Bird, son, father and grandfather, I am not sure if it clarifies or muddies the waters as to the brothers and sisters of William Bird b 1806.

http://www.angelfire.com/ga/BobSanders/SOURCES.html

If nothing else it makes for interesting reading and extends the tree.
regards
Bill

[ceronn]

Thanks Bill,
That information is known to me, and the Cowbridge Ironmonger Birds, now up to the eighth generation, say that the grandfather, painter and guilder came from a family of artists associated with the silk industry in Coventry. According to other information about Coventry the Bird family introduced the silk industry to that city, and some of them were there at the time of the reformation in the early 16th. century.
Unless you have a definite birth date for William in 1806, I believe that the birthdate given in my previous post is the one, and we should be referring to William born 1805.I was advised that the entry for William was previously mistranslated and that is why people are still looking for him.That means he was a brother of Edward who started in the ironmongery business on the wharf at Cardiff
[Bird and Wood] and a brother of James who became a surgeon and also moved to London.
regards
Ceronn.

[Bill1]

Hello Mary Sue and Cerron
I have from another source  that William Bird b 1805 is one of 6 children(4 sons-1 died very young and 2 daughters (1 died 1 day old) of Edward Bird and Margaret Bevan .
Edward apparently established a succesful iron mongery and plumbing business in Cowbridge. It remains in Bird ownership today - concentrating on agricultural mowing equipment.
I have asked that I may provide you additional information and am waiting for the reply. The interesting point is that the individuals wife is related to William b 1767, her great(x3)grandfather.
So it seems that we are related. regards
Mary Sue- a gathering of 29 related to George Augustus Bird WoW. would be interested in adding the names to my tree.
Bill

[ceronn]

Hi Bill,
That is really interesting. The surviving daughter was Jane, and I wonder who she married.A cousin James took over the Cowbridge business, and if you look up Bird's Vehicle Solutions on line and click on the section "about us"you will find a short family history and a portrait of John the diarist b.1761, entitled 'Uncle John'.Hoping to hear more...
regards Ceronn.

[Bill1]

Hello Cerron, Mary sue, Nev:
William (b 1767) and his children;
1.Sarah Maria Bird.  Born 18 May 1794.  Married James Berry - 1 son died in infancy, 1 da - Sophia, married Richard Robinson of Sunderland - no issue
2.William Knowles Bird.   Born 16 Nov 1795.   Died 1881.   Married Margaret Stonehewer of Caermarthen.   William and Margaret are both buried at the church of St Brides, Glam-y-mor Southerndown Nr Bridgend.   William was for many years Postmaster of the town of Cardiff and was Mayor of the town at the time of the first Eisteddfodd.  1 son (Hugh Stonehewer (1826 - 1890) married Ellen Slark - 2 sons 2 da; 3 Da -i) Elizabeth, married John Grierson, 10 children, emigrated to New Zealand in 1863, ii) Margaret Stonehewer (1831 - 1895) married Robert Hendeweik of Dantzic, Prussia, no issue and iii) Sarah who died unmarried.
3.John Goodwin Bird. Born 21 Jan 1798. Died Cardiff.   Married i) Ellen Groves of Guernsey, 1 son John lost at sea ii) Marrianne Stevens of Bridgend, 2 sons i) William died aged 19, ii) Charles died 1891, married Margaret Bellinger of Swansea , 4 children; 2 da i) Frances - died young and ii) Alice married a cousin of William Thomas, several children, emigrated to Australia
4.Susannah Matilda.  Born 26 Dec 1799. Died 17 Dec 1867.   Married in Cardiff to James Bird (1802 - 1874), Surgeon, her 1st cousin and son of Edward Bird (1773 - 1848), 2 sons i) Alfred - died aged 20 ii) James, married, 1 son 1 da ;and 2 da i) Emily Theresa.  Married Jasper Wilson Johns MP for Nuneaton. 3 sons & 3 da
Caroline.   Married Clement Richard Waldron (1826 - 1906) Solicitor and Diocesan Registrar, Llandaff.  2 Sons 2 Da.
5.George Augustus.  Born 10 Apl 1802 in Guernsey. Settled in Cardiff 1818 Died 15 July 1890.  Married in Cardiff Jane Bird (1808 - 1874), his first cousin & da of Edward Bird (1773 - 1848).   Given freedom of the Borough at age of 21 by Marquess of Bute, in Yeomanry Cavalry, Member of the Corporation for 15 years - returned 4 times as top of the poll, Borough Magistrate, Churchwarden, Land Tax Commissioner & special constable during Chartist Riots of 1840.   Jane was lame in one leg. 3 sons - George Edward (1837 - 84), Lewis Francis (died young), Clarence(1848 - 1917). 5 da: Isabella (1833 - 1913)unmarried; Jane Margaret (1835 - 1900) married Charles Williams 1 son, Frances Nash (1842 - 1920) Unmarried, Constance Born 1845, married Edmund Hyde, Florence.  Born 1846 Died young
6.Elizabeth(1805 - 1891) Born in Guernsey. Died in Australia. Married William Thomas & emigrated to Australia. 1 son, 2 da.
regards
Bill
 

[Bill1]

Cerron, MarySUe and Nev
Some comments on John Bird's (1773 - 1815) ten sons and daughters!  They were:-
 
John (1761 - 1840).   Married i) Hannah Davies 1784 (d. 1786), ii) Sarah Vaughan 1790 (d 1810), iii) Elizabeth Morgan 1812.   2 sons, 2 daughters.   Born in Cardiff Castle, which, together with huge estates, was owned by the Bute family.   John started work for the Bute estate when he was 16.   He became the factor of the estate and a good friend of the 2nd Marquess of Bute (then reckoned to be the richest man in the world) and also a senior alderman, magistrate and a prominent businessman in Cardiff where he wielded considerable influence.   His portrait was commissioned by the Marquess and remains in the Bute family.   "The Diaries of John Bird 1790 - 1803" edited by Hilary Thomas was published by the South Wales Record Society of 22 Redbrick Crescent, Barry Island, South Glamorgan, Wales, CF6 8TT in 1987 (ISBN 09508676 3 2).
Sarah (1763 -     ).   Married Philip David and emigrated to the USA.   Sole choild was Elizabeth who married Samuel Kerrison of Charleston USA.
Henry (1765 - 1801)  Married Jane Lewis 1787.   Shoemaker.  3 sons;1 da.
William (1767 - 1849) Married (in Guernsey) Sarah Nash 1793.   3 sons; 2 da.   My wife's Great (x3) Grandfather.
Richard (1769 -    )   Emigrated to the USA and died there
Edward (1773 - 1848)   Married Margaret Bevan (sister of Dr William Bevan of Cardiff).   4 sons (1 died very young); 2 da (1 died 1 day old).   His 4th son, William (1805 - 1884)  married Sarah Buck.   In 1796 Edward established a successful ironmongery and plumbing business in Cowbridge, an attractive market down about 20 miles from Cardiff.   It remains in Bird ownership today - concentrating on agricultural mowing equipment.
James (1775 - 1857) Married Sarah Young.   6 sons;2 da.  Played major role in the Cowbridge business.
George Pace (       - 1779)   probably died young
Joseph - Nothing known - died very young probably
Sarah  -  Nothing known - also died very young probably
regards
Bill

[Bill1]

Cerron, MarySue and Nev; copied from a Bird family historian as are my previous posts;
the earliest family member we have unearthed is John Bird(Byrd), an Heraldic Painter, who in 1590 painted some well known murals in St Donat's Church, Glamorganshire, S Wales.   They were stolen a few years ago but have been recovered and the originals are now in the National Museum of Wales, Cardiff.   The family understanding is that he was a member of the Bird family who were well known silk manufacturers in Coventry.   The coat of arms used by "your" Birds is the same as that granted to the Coventry Birds - briefly it consists of 4 martlets, a greyhound's head as crest and motto of "Recte Certe".   During the 17th and 18th centuries members of the Bird family not only established themselves in trade in South Wales but also linked their fortunes as craftsmen and officials to the lords of Cardiff Castle.   They included William Bird who died in 1731 and John Bird, his son who had died by 1748.   John married a Margaret Mashman and they had 4 children: John (your great (x 5) grandfather) who was born in 1733 and died in 1815.   In 1760 he married Sarah Pace of Cardiff.   Born in Cardiff Castle he was an agent of the estate, water bailiff and clerk to market as well as a cordwainer and shopkeeper.   He had a brother,William (1737- 1780) and 2 sisters, Elizabeth and Margaret.
regards Bill