Bird family Guernsey

[Nev Fouiller]

re George Gwynne Bird b 1803 BRE WLS

his second marr was to Mary Padley b 1807 Swansea

MARRIAGE  18 December 1841 GEORGE G.BIRD ESQ.M.D.TO MARY,DAUGHTER OF SYLVANUS PADLEY OF SWANSEA,  from Cambrian Newspaper

their issue
George Gwynne b 1844
Mary Bessie b1845

Sylvanus Padley was harbourmaster and businessman

only death for Harriet Gwynne that I found was in SOM 1841 but have never been happy about this
perhaps she died Canada prompting George's ret to Wales?

Nev

p.s

just to be clear, was Edward Bird b 1773 brother to William Bird b 1767 and both sons of John Bird?

[ceronn]

hello Nev,
That is interesting! Gla Birds sorted out? Far from it. I know only that Harriet Bird died before 1847 because Burkes genealogy says so. Also I think one of the other Birds had a wife named Harriet.
John the shoemaker and shopkeeper born 1733 had eight sons and one daughter: John1761, Henry 1765, William Knowles1767, Richard 1770,Edward 1773, James 1775, George Pace died 1779, Joseph, and Sarah. The answer to your last question is yes. The mother of these nine children may well be interesting [Sarah Pace] I found an inscription for a Henry Pace at St John's Cardiff which describes him as a 'supervisor'. This was on line of course. I have never been to Wales.
Ceronn.

[Mary Sue]

Hi Ceronn
Firstly many apologizes for not replying to you sooner but would you believe I have been heavily involved with organizing and cooking for a Bird family get together!  We had a party on Saturday 26th July in my nephew's garden for 42.  Out of that number there were 29 descendants of George Augustus Bird! Thank you so much for all your information & with that I was able to update our family tree with John the shoemaker 1733-1815.
I got in rather a muddle as to who John Bird 1761-1840 is.  Who was his father? Presumably James Bird was his brother.
I too would love to have a copy of John Bird's diary that the FHS published, but you said it was out of print.  With you mentioning that your sister obtained a copy for you in England, can I assume you are corresponding from Australia?  If so-how fascinating. I find it quite amazing that we share the same ggggrandparents in William & Sarah Bird.  I too wonder what happened to William Bird Thomas aged 12 in 1851.  Perhaps he went to live with a relative or maybe died before your family left for Australia or even moved away to start an apprenticeship.  Look forward to hearing from you again.  Mary Sue.

[ceronn]

Hi Mary Sue,
It was the father of William Bird Thomas who did not come to Australia and I understand that he, William Thomas b. 1816 at Bridgend, died before 1855.William Bird Augustus Thomas was a surveyor in Auckland, New Zealand in 1865 and later moved to Victoria, Australia.His son William Bird Thomas junior b. 1871 in Vic. went to the Boer war  and died in Queenstown South Africa in 1940.
There are hundreds of descendants of Elizabeth Bird Thomas b. 1805 in Guernsey, living all over, and one of them was seen on t.v. the other day reporting from Bejing on the lead up to the Olympics.
The diaries of John Bird, clerk to the Marquess of Bute ,was published by the South Wales Record Society in 1987. I have not read it but my sister obt

[ceronn]

continuing.... inter-library loan. A portrait of John Bird, the eldest son of John the shoemaker,can be seen and copied from an article on the net about the Cowbridge Ironmongery firm.  http://www.rsbird.com/about _us_main.htm       The Cardiff Council Minutes, 1740-1835 transcribed by Pat Sewell 2000 are also on line and show that John the shoemaker was a son of John Bird,painter and guilder and his wife, Margaret Mashman.
Some of William Knowles Bird's descendants are also in Australia As you know he was born in 1795 in Guernsey.There has always been much to-ing and fro-ing between Australia and N.Z. And of course John Goodwin Bird's daughter, Alice ,married in Melbourne in 1879 and as a widow, ran a school for young ladies in St. Kilda, then a fashionable suburb in the 1920's.
The Glamorgan FHS website is at www.glamfhs.org.
Somehow this message got fractured, but anyway all the best Ceronn.   

[Bill1]

HI
In your searching of Birds of Guernsey with roots in Wales have you come across William Bird born in Cardiff in 1806, listed in the 1851 England census as an Iron merchant. I believe he had at least one brother(Edward ) and 1 sister (Sarah). Some of his children -he had 11 of them ended up in the metel trades as well.  He may well have been a Cowbridge Bird as some one mentioned but I have not as yet been able to trace them back from the early census info. He was rather well off as the 1851 census shows several servants. Appreciate any help given
Thanks

[Bill1]

re Dr James Bird
A Dr James Bird shows up in his sons death notice in 1868, it refers to him as the late Dr James Bird FRCP- Physician General of Bombay. The  son Edward Gordon Bird died in Portman sq. in London

[ceronn]

Hello Bill
Is it the same Dr. James Bird? The Glamorgan FHS does not have an Edward Gordon Bird listed for the one who practiced in Cardiff 1830 to1831.There were many people named Bird in India.One was acting governor or whatever for a short period. (I have forgotten the exact title] .
Someone posted on genforum. genealogy.com about William Bird b. 1806.The Cowbridge article mentions that he supplied the steel for the crystal palace of Queen Victoria and Albert, so no doubt he was well off.They say he was from another branch of the family ie not James . Maybe Edward b.1773.                  William Jarvis listed all the children and some of their spouses.William's wife was Sarah Buck.Edward was the eldest child and a number moved to Canada. William Jarvis posted on 2.10.2007.
Ceronn.

[Bill1]

Hello Cerron
I listed all the children of William b 1806. James b 1829 is the oldest, Edward b 1847 and his twin brother Arthur  are the 2nd and 3rd youngest. Edwards 2 sons Gerald and Cecil emigrated to Canada. The rest as far as I can tell are in England and Ireland.

The Edward b 1776 as the father of William is a new line to follow. Any suggestions.
regards
Bill