CEMETERY

[robmullen]

Hi, ive found my great great great grandfathers death certificate, he was killed on 5th august 1886, in the riotshaw seam in no.2 pit,bredisholme? colliery, Bothwell, it says on rce, he is in oldmonkland church yard, was just wondering if anybody has any pics of this, cemetery,? i have emailed the grave yard people, but to date no reply from them.. thanks, Rob

[apanderson]

Hi rob,

Are you sure it's Old Monkland Churchyard?

A burial in 1886 would more likely to have been in Old Monkland Cemetery unless the family aready had an existing plot/lair in the Churchyard.

What was your gt/gt/gt grandfather's name? I have bits and pieces of info from both O.M. Churchyard and Cemetery so I could have a wee look.

If it was North Lanarkshire Cemeteries you contacted, they're not the quickest at getting back to you!!

Anne

[robmullen]

Hi im sure it says church yard, can send you a copy of rce if you like, His name is Robert Mullen b-1832 - d 1886  his wife is Helen Colligan, b-1835 d-1896 .. just had another look, says cant make name out? saw body old monkland churchyard

[apanderson]

I've had a look at a copy of a transcription done in 1881 of Lair/Plot owners in Old Monkland Churchyard but there were no Mullens or Colligans listed at that time, but of course that was five years too early!

I only have bits and pieces for the cemetery (which is huge) but unfortunately, no Mullens or Colligans either, so I think you'll have to wait for N. Lanarkshire to get back to you.

Would it be possible to crop the image just to show the bit you can't make out then post it here? That way, more folk could have a go at seeing if they could make out what was written and hopefully it won't breach any copyright laws. Don't post the whole image - that does breach copyrights.

Anne

[robmullen]

Hope this works, not edited docs or images much, so here goes. sorry i tried to place it on here?

[apanderson]

You managed it fine - well done!

I think it says the following:

"The roof of his working place falling about him causing instant death. Dr Mills, Baillieston, saw body.
Old Monkland Churchyard. No Undertaker. Procurator Fiscal's Office. (Signed Alex. Lindsay, Procurator Fiscal)."

I'm not 100% sure of the rules and regulations regarding deaths of this nature but I imagine because it was an accident/death in the workplace,  that would be why the Procurator Fiscal's Office was involved.

As for the 'No Undertaker' part - I have no idea what that means. It might have been the case that the body had to be interred immediately and that the burial was in common ground (e.g. ground laid aside in the Churchyard for people who didn't already have a lair/plot or couldn't afford one) This is purely speculation on my part so could be completely wrong. If the burial was in common ground, there won't be a stone but for your records, the Cemeteries Office should still be able to give you some sort of details.

I believe there is a way to investigate Fiscal Records but I have no knowledge how this is done. Hopefully someone else will read this thread and be able to advise you.

Anne

[robmullen]

Hi Anne thanks for helping, i have emailed about his lair or plot to cemeteries, but no reply yet. have you any ideas were i can get a decent pic of old monkland church and grounds, ive searched but had no luck, also Roberts son, he died of typhoid in drumpark fever hospital, in 1889, would you have any ideas were he would be buried at all, again thank you so much for your help, Yours Rob Mullen

[ABradley]

Hi Rob,

If the Plot number is Plot X  then its in the common ground at Old Monkland.
I have a picture of that area which I will send tonight.

Andrew

[robmullen]

Hi Andrew many thanks for that info, look forward to seeing the pic, cheers Rob