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William Shepherd of Brotherton
« on: Friday 11 July 08 00:46 BST (UK) »
I'm hoping for some opinions about some IGI records and where to go next please

I have found records for William Shephard (Shepherd) b 1811 but I cannot tease out which is the right one or if they are the same person even
 
The dob of 1811 is from Census records so its a flexible date

(Brotherton is a tiny place now and I imagine was small then too)

Batch C109362 IGI name Shephard

There is Wm ShepArd b 13/1/1811 chr 14/1/1811
              Wm Shepard b 13/1/1811 chr 14/4/1811
              Wm Furnish ShephErd b 15/1/1812
              Wm Furnish  Shepherd chr 16/2/1812

Both Williams have parents William and Sarah

It also appears both married women called Hannah too! (Wadsworth or Deplidge)

I know the children of the Wm I'm looking for are:
Sarah Ann
George
John
Mary
Hannah
Emma

I cant find the way thro and would be grateful if some one could offer a suggestion or pointer please




Edwards, Williams, Griffiths, Gittins in Denbighshire, Merionethshire
Edwards, Price/Peirce in Monmouthshire.
Kosh in London and Newcastle.
Turnbull, Elder, Forster in Newcastle
Smart, Raycord/Record in Rowley Regis,Staffs
Edwards in Pontefract, Castleford, Matlock
Frith, Gregory in Matlock
Wadsworth, Shephard in Brotherton
Fagan, Lawless in Sheffield

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Re: William Shepherd of Brotherton
« Reply #1 on: Monday 14 July 08 20:37 BST (UK) »
Hi Indigogirl,

I’ve suspected for some time that you and I were going to end up looking for the same family – I watched your Edward Edwards thread for a while……in fact I’ve just checked and I have it printed off on my desk….because of uncle George Shepherd.

Just to clarify, my great,great grandmother, Sarah Shepherd (b.1810, Brotherton) married William Wild (b.1806, Knottingley) and had 9 children, of which only 4 survived into adulthood, including my great grandfather James Wild (b. 1847, Knottingley).

This may be good news for you, but I have the St Edward, Brotherton Baptism Indexes for the period 1748-1895 and am also puzzling my way through the Shepherd families.

I have come to the conclusion that there were at least 2 separate William & Sarah Shepherds in Brotherton, both having children and, luckily, overlapping at times.  (This is the only way I could distinguish between some of them!)  I’ll list what I have and you’ll see what I mean…….

Children baptised to William and Sarah at St Edward, Brotherton:

William (Shepherd)       06 March 1796      (poss died 1810 – buried age 14)
John (Shepherd)               04 Feb 1798        (poss died 1800)
Esther    (Shepherd)      13 July 1800
Samuel (Shepherd)          17 April 1803       (born 16 Mar)
Sarah   (Shepherd)      14 April 1805        (born 24 Feb – died 1807 age 2)
Mary (Shepherd)              13 Sept 1807       (born 9 August 1807)
Mary (Shepherd)              25 Oct 1807        (born 11 Sept 1807)
Sarah (Shepherd)          29 April 1810        (born 02 Apr)
William (Shephard)          14 April 1811        (born 13 Jan)
William Furnish (Shepherd) 16 Feb 1812           (born 15 Jan)
John (Shephard)              08 Dec 1813    (born 11 Nov) (father labourer)
Susannah                      not baptised at Brotherton but Burial 1815 (inf) gives abode as Pontefract late Brotherton!!  Poss baptism @ Pontefract  9 March 1814.
Tabitha (Shepherd)         10 June 1816   (born 09 May)(father Waterman)
John (Shephard)              11 Jan 1818      (born 14 May 1816)(father                       Labourer)
George (Shephard)         24 June 1821   (born 11 Mar 1819) (father Labourer)
Sarah                                          (buried 16 June 1821 – infant)
Ann (Shepherd)              23 June 1822     (born 31 May) (father Labourer)
Elizabeth (Shepherd)        19 Mar 1826   (no birth given) (father Labourer)


(Sorry about being all higgledy-piggledy - they were in nice neat columns in my original document!! :D )

Well I think that's enough for one posting!  Let me know if you'd like anything looking up in the indexes. 

I think this one might need a look at the original records to see if anything further is given so that we can sort them out.  What do you think??

Sally  :)
Foreman, McAlpine, Bainbridge - Northumberland
White, Keeley, Golding - Suffolk
Johnson - Staffordshire
Wild, Green, Cusworth - Yorkshire (West Riding)

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Re: William Shepherd of Brotherton
« Reply #2 on: Monday 14 July 08 21:49 BST (UK) »
I had a go at trying to sort these Shepherds out last week when it was first posted..but 3 new notepads later I gave up........LOL  ;D :D

Good luck

Jane
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Re: William Shepherd of Brotherton
« Reply #3 on: Monday 14 July 08 21:58 BST (UK) »
 :D  :D  :D

I know what you mean, Jane.

I'm having enough difficulty myself, and one lot of them are my direct ancestors!!

I've hunted out all my scraps of paper (!!) from the last time I was searching.....and I'm really annoyed at myself, 'cos I have noted a marriage of William Shepherd to Sarah Taylor on 24 Feb 1807.  What I haven't done is note down where I found it !!!

This tiny bit of information made me think that the "split" started at the 2 Mary's in Aug/Sept 1807....which helps me not one jot in deciding whether "my" Sarah (1810) is one side or the other!!

Oh, well!  Back to the drawing board.  ;)

Sally
Foreman, McAlpine, Bainbridge - Northumberland
White, Keeley, Golding - Suffolk
Johnson - Staffordshire
Wild, Green, Cusworth - Yorkshire (West Riding)


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Re: William Shepherd of Brotherton
« Reply #4 on: Monday 14 July 08 22:04 BST (UK) »
Thats a comprehensive list Sally. I need a bit of time to digest it properly

Its been tying me in knots! At one point I wondered if there was a spelling differential Shephard/Shepherd/Sheppard etc?

Have you seen the Brotherton site? Lots of good info on the Wadsworth side there but no-ones been brave enough to untangle and post regarding the Shepherds

I made the mistake of casting a few miles aside for Wm Shepherds and they are all over! Long Preston, Sherburn, Pontefract.     
Edwards, Williams, Griffiths, Gittins in Denbighshire, Merionethshire
Edwards, Price/Peirce in Monmouthshire.
Kosh in London and Newcastle.
Turnbull, Elder, Forster in Newcastle
Smart, Raycord/Record in Rowley Regis,Staffs
Edwards in Pontefract, Castleford, Matlock
Frith, Gregory in Matlock
Wadsworth, Shephard in Brotherton
Fagan, Lawless in Sheffield

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Re: William Shepherd of Brotherton
« Reply #5 on: Monday 14 July 08 22:10 BST (UK) »
From the IGI

Looking at my scraps I also have William Shepherd christened 6/3/1796
Parents William and Sarah

Wm Shephard b 24/2/1807 married to Sarah Taylor

Wm Sheph christ 18/8/1771 parents Sam and Susannah.

I seem to remember having a thought about one lot having slightly more atypical names too.

Jane -- thanks for trying!
Edwards, Williams, Griffiths, Gittins in Denbighshire, Merionethshire
Edwards, Price/Peirce in Monmouthshire.
Kosh in London and Newcastle.
Turnbull, Elder, Forster in Newcastle
Smart, Raycord/Record in Rowley Regis,Staffs
Edwards in Pontefract, Castleford, Matlock
Frith, Gregory in Matlock
Wadsworth, Shephard in Brotherton
Fagan, Lawless in Sheffield

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Re: William Shepherd of Brotherton
« Reply #6 on: Monday 14 July 08 22:14 BST (UK) »
Is this your Sarah then?
Sarah (Shepherd)          29 April 1810        (born 02 Apr)

I've favoured this one as mine
William (Shephard)          14 April 1811        (born 13 Jan)

Based on that reliable genealogical source - we share a birthday! Ha
Edwards, Williams, Griffiths, Gittins in Denbighshire, Merionethshire
Edwards, Price/Peirce in Monmouthshire.
Kosh in London and Newcastle.
Turnbull, Elder, Forster in Newcastle
Smart, Raycord/Record in Rowley Regis,Staffs
Edwards in Pontefract, Castleford, Matlock
Frith, Gregory in Matlock
Wadsworth, Shephard in Brotherton
Fagan, Lawless in Sheffield

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Re: William Shepherd of Brotherton
« Reply #7 on: Monday 14 July 08 22:18 BST (UK) »
 :-\ Yup, I know......very prolific some of my ancestors!

Digest away, my dear....if you have any lightbulb moments, just let me know. ;D

As far as I can see, the spellings don't seem to be doing it for me, sadly enough.


However, I did find a tree on Ancestry that had a William Shepherd marrying a Sarah Furnace (?? William Furnish Shepherd ??) in 1793.  They had children listed as:
Robert 1794, William 1796-1810, John 1798, Esther 1800, Samuel 1803-1892, Sarah 1805-1807, Mary 1807, Sarah 1810. William F 1812, John 1813, and Tabitha 1816-1879.

I hadn't got to the stage of putting all the info together too much.  I think I tried to contact the person, but didn't get a reply.... :'(

I'm sure we'll get to the bottom of this.....or die trying!!

Sally
Foreman, McAlpine, Bainbridge - Northumberland
White, Keeley, Golding - Suffolk
Johnson - Staffordshire
Wild, Green, Cusworth - Yorkshire (West Riding)

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Re: William Shepherd of Brotherton
« Reply #8 on: Monday 14 July 08 22:20 BST (UK) »
Is this your Sarah then?
Sarah (Shepherd)          29 April 1810        (born 02 Apr)

I've favoured this one as mine
William (Shephard)          14 April 1811        (born 13 Jan)

Based on that reliable genealogical source - we share a birthday! Ha


Yup, that ones mine!!

Strangely enough - mine's on their wedding anniversary!!

Sally
Foreman, McAlpine, Bainbridge - Northumberland
White, Keeley, Golding - Suffolk
Johnson - Staffordshire
Wild, Green, Cusworth - Yorkshire (West Riding)