WHITTLE family fairground connection

[LittleWhittle]

Thats alright. If you have any questions I will answer them as best as I can .
-L

[LittleWhittle]

Hi Deb
my dad told me Aunt Sybil was married to Billy Lee from Canning Town they had three sons Billy Jimmy and Alfie, they also travelled in the showkeeping buisness.
they are both dead now.
My dad lived in Miami for a few years and then come back and settled down in Ryde on the Isle of Wight, he is now the Mayor of Ryde.
His grandad alf Whittle ( George Alfred ) also went to live in America in his younger days, i think it was during prohabition.
He lived in Chicargo, and then Canada, he wanted to live there forever but Sybil would only marry him if he stayed in the uk.
My dads Unkle Alfie's son and daughter Garry and Lorraine both live in Huston texas,
So you see we as a family have a strong will to move to America, just like your part of the family did.
Me and my brother Reed make cartoons and publish them on the internet http://uk.youtube.com/user/LegoGecko13   .
And we want to go to collage in California to study animation we want to work for Pixar or Dreamworks.
My grandad Dennis and grandma Olga still travel with the Fair they are both in their 70's now.
My dad has old pictures of the Whittle family when they all traveled together with their own big Whittle's Fair during the war.
Dad says all of his grandads brothers and sisters had nick names so it is hard to work out who was who from the birth certificates, there was Dutchy, N-word, Jack Davis, Len, Cockie, etc.
So How are you related to us ?
Aparently when G.A. Whittle senior Died the whole family sold up everything and split up, that was after they came back to the yard at Blackwater after they came out of the Drill Hall in Portsmouth,
they had been open in there during the blackout in the war, and left after Portamouth was carpet bombed by the Germans, everything was flat around them.
We know lots of the story, like i said Ask if you want to know anything about the showman side of the family, I am interested in what happened to the rest
Like you.....
-L

[deb usa]

Hi Lloyd ...

unfortunately for me, I am not part of the Whittle family although the other posters on this thread are ... I was helping search for them all throughout the censuses.  I too, have gypsy family ....the Penfolds and Orchards mainly from the Cornwall/Devon and Wiltshire areas.

Hopefully Edwina, who started this thread, will join us soon as I am sure you both will have a lot to follow up on! Her Alloway family married into the Whittle family.

deb

PS Good Luck with your future in animation.... think positively ...I am sure you will get what you want eventually !!!

[LittleWhittle]

Hi Deb
my grandad lives in a yard next to Garry Penfold and his family at Hindhead
Thanks for your help
lloyd

[TJW]

Hello LittleWhittle
My nan and grandad are burried at Wooton Bridge!
My grandad was John Whittle and my nans name was Edwardean. I remember my nan saying she used to do the 'Roll a penny' game when she was in her dads show (we now believe this to be 'Smith and Whittle'). Have a look at page 2 of this post, there is a photo attached. I wonder if maybe we are related?
Let me know what you think!

Thanks

Trevor Whittle

[LittleWhittle]

Hello Trevor
my Dad has spoken to my grandad
The picture you have is of my dads great grandad
He had seven children
Stanely John Whittle...who may be your grandad as he married twice, his first wife was a Studd, he married again and had a so called Vincent.
stanley was the youngest son
joe whittle
lewis Whittle
and alf Whittle ( G A Whittle ) my dads grandad
the sisters were
venie, she married Jack Davis ( Uncle Jack )
Lovie, she married Len Pharoh
and
duchie ( her nick name as she spoke gibberish as a child, double douch )
We dont know her real name, but she married one of the Turner brothers from woking.
so you see Stanly whittle must of been your grandad.
he had two children in his first marrige
John Whittle, who had four kids john , Gary, lisa and Lyn
Gerald Whittle was his other son he had two boys Paul and dad cant remember his brothers name, but he aint done bad.
so Trevour who are you ?
who was your dad ?

[TJW]

Sorry I don't know these names. If we are related, it must be from when the family divided around the time the photo was taken. Have you read your messages?

[EAP]

Hello again!

Hello Lloyd  . You know a lot about your family. Deb is right about asking the questions while people are still alive. It is my husband who has the connection to the WHITTLE family, but it is a long way back. I have been trying to find out whether his canal boatman ancestor was the father of George Alfred WHITTLE who married Lavinia SMITH.

I now have the marriage certificate of William GRAFTON and Mary Ann WHITTLE for December 26th 1886. They were the witnesses at George Alfred and Lavinia's wedding. Mary Ann WHITTLE's father was:

George WHITTLE - Barge carter.

This occupation seems to me like the missing link among all the other certificates I have collected. Sometimes old George is called a boatman, sometimes a carrier, sometimes a carter, and now a barge carter. It must be the same George every time, I think. So Mary Ann was the sister of George Alfred. And Mabel Alice WHITTLE, my husband's grandmother, must have been their sister. 

Sheldon WHITTLE has an excellent family tree showing the descendants of George and Lavinia. Perhaps worth seeing if you can get a copy??

No one in my husband's family has any fairground or travelling connections. When my mother-in-law said she used to go and stay with relations who kept a fairground, we did not know where it was, but now we have learned so much about the WHITTLE & SMITH fair. Thank you all!

I do not seem to have time to write up all this information properly, but some time in the next few months I will definitely do so. I shall put the information I now have that goes back to Worcester in 1816 and beyond in with my husband's family and Sheldon's tree, so we can see how it all fits together. But I shall try not to include living people. Will get back here again when I have done this. Don't be surprised if Christmas comes and goes before I get my act together  Writing up is the boring bit.

Best wishes,

Edwina

[deb usa]

Edwina

I am so glad that the marriage cert has given you the proof you needed.

It was a great 'hunt' and I so enjoyed it! Have fun putting it all together. 

deb