WHITTLE family fairground connection

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Hello NM 

These WHITTLEs from your family tree look as if they come mostly from the Suffolk area. I wonder if they are related to my Bromsgrove George, or to George and Lavinia? As far as you have said, they do not seem to be connected to a fairground, though Perry, who posted an earlier message, mentioned WHITTLEs, HICKEYs and fairgrounds in his family... interesting...

These trees take some sorting out. 

Edwina

[s whittle]

Hi

I have spoken to my Father and have got hold of a family tree compiled in or around 2004.
This goes back to George and Lavinia which is as far as he knows.
The reference you made to the canal boats ties in with my Grandfathers memories of swimming in the canal at Islington whilst staying with Aunts and uncles (told by my father).

I have just tried to attach the copy of family tree but for some reason there was an error stating that the file is too big??? As this is an A4 copy I would have thought it would attach easily so any advice as to how to remedy this would be welcomed! Otherwise I can email the document on request.

Obviously the details of the earlier George and Emma Alloway was news to us and I am keen to find out more going further back again.

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Well, the Islington connection sounds about right. 

I have never attached anything to a rootschat message, so can't really offer any help on that one. Perhaps a more experienced user will read the message and come up with something.

I am away from home at the moment, and have just signed on quickly to read this. I'll catch up with you again once I'm home.

Thank you for this.

Edwina

[deb usa]

Hi everyone 

My father did tell me that the fairground Whittle's became related to the Hickey's of Richmond family who were boiler makers (makes sense being steam folk). If i got it right Hickey's daughter married a Whittle, do you have any more info?

quote from NM:
"Their son was James HICKEY b.22nd Feb 1851 in Leeds.
James met (although not sure if married) Rebecca WHITTLE c1887 (previously Rebecca Bradley. She had previously been married to Henry Inkerman BRADLEY and had my Great Grandmother Augusta Eliza BRADLEY in 1882)"
James HICKEY was a boilermaker/riveter who started a business called James Hickey and sons in Sandycombe Road, Richmond in 1881.



 

1891
Berks, Maidenhead, Cookham
The Moors, Bridge rd
George a Whittle head mar 23 or 25 ? Traveling showman b Uxbridge
Lavinia wife 22 assistant b Surrey Egham
George A son under ? months
/
William Smith head mar 68 Steam Circus proprietor
Mary A wife assistant 58
John 27          "
Albert 17        "
Amy 14           "
/
Rowland family ...also travelling showmen

I think the Hickeys and the Smiths/Whittles must all connect somehow. the Boilermaking seems to be relevant to running a Steam Circus.

Still following this thread with much interest ... is there anything I can look for ...?

deb

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George Halloway
Mar q 1866
Uxbridge, Middlesex
vol 3a p 23

deb

Dear All, 

We now have a copy of this birth certificate. It is for a baby George, born 30th Jan 1866 Uxbridge Moor, Hillingdon. His mother was Emma HALLOWAY. So I am confident he grew up to be "George ALLOWAY (aka George WHITTLE)" as Deb told us was on the 1871 census. I am also confident he was my husband's grandmother's brother or half-brother.

There is no father stated on this birth certificate, so I do not know whether he was the son of George WHITTLE, boatman. He obviously grew up to think of him as a father, because after 1871 he seems to have been called WHITTLE. I know you cannot register a baby with the father's surname unless you are either married, or have the father with you to agree to it. Perhaps it was the same then. If George WHITTLE senior travelled on the boat, he may not have been around to acknowledge the birth, even though Emma seems to have waited until March before she registered the baby.

They were married the following December.

We still can't be sure 100% whether this is the birth certificate of George who married Lavinia, but it could be. The birth certificate only says George, not George Alfred, so it looks a bit doubtful, unless they gave him that name later. After all, he is only called George on the marriage certificate when he married Lavinia. I thought at first perhaps his initial A might have stood for ALLOWAY - but that might have been too good to be true.

I still think swimming in the canal sounds hopeful, Sheldon, because my mother-in-law's family lived in Islington. If she went to stay on the fairground sometimes, perhaps the WHITTLE boys sometimes came to stay with them too.

Thank you for your interest, Deb. If you know of any directories, parish records, or anything similar it still might help. I would never have found half this material without your help. Please carry on being interested and having bright ideas if you can. Very welcome from my point of view 

Sheldon, I am sending you a PM because I guess you will probably be interested in George and Lavinia's marriage certificate.

Best wishes,

Edwina

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Do you know the website: <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com> ? Very useful for finding ancestors on the GRO records indexes.

Have just looked at it and found the following:
Marriages Mar 1902
Alexander  Ernest Hembest   Chertsey    2a   96    
Potter    Ethel         Chertsey    2a   96   
Sedgwick    Jane         Chertsey    2a   96    
Whittle    George         Chertsey    2a   96

Each of these people has his or her marriage entered on volume 2, Chertsey registration district, page 2 for the 3 month period Jan - Mar 1902.

Just re-reading the posts and saw this bloomer. Everyone was too polite to point out that I must finally have lost it! Of course, I meant:
Volume 2a Chertsey registration district, page 96.
 
Edwina

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ahhh okay ...found a marriage : William Grafton 1886 Bethnal Green and on the same page ...Mary Ann Whittle.
will search further
deb

Have now ordered this marriage certificate.

Edwina

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A probable marriage for Emma ALLAWAY's parents:
Marriages Jun 1842
HARROWAY William, Uxbridge, vol 3, p.305
WOODCOCK Jane, Uxbridge, vol 3, p.305

These two people were the only ones on that page.

This marriage looks more likely than the ALLAWAY / ROFFEY one I found in Bermondsey a little while ago.

Perhaps they were not yet officially married when Deb found them on the 1841 census:
1841
Hillingdon
William ...oway 20 lab
Jane 20
Susannah 13 months
Mary 3 months
all born in county


Edwina

[deb usa]

Hi Edwina

I have been looking for Susannah and Mary's birth reg ...the closest I coud find is this one:

Mary Ann Harroway
June q 1841 Uxbridge
vol 3 p 304

will look further


from a previous post we have this;
1851
St John Rd Uxbridge
WILLIAM ALLOWAY head mar 35 ag lab b Hillingdon
JANE wife 35 char woman b Uxbridge
Susannah 12
Mary 10
EMMA 8
Elizabeth 6
Eliza/Elvira? 1
James 4 months
all children b Uxbridge

Maybe the only way to find Jane's maiden name for sure is to order a birth cert ...

deb