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Griffiths Valuations please - Mc Loughlin and Russell - Craigs
« on: Thursday 10 July 08 17:08 BST (UK) »
Hi,
I have McLaughlins in my family, and Russells and McKays, from the Craigs/Cullybackey area. In the Griffiths Valuations index I've found the following entries with the spelling 'Mc Loughlin':

Surname      First Name      Townland      Parish      County
Mc Loughlin   William            Craigs                Craigs   Antrim
Mc Loughlin   Robert            Craigs                 Craigs   Antrim

And several for Russell including
Russell         Anne                  Craigs                Craigs     Antrim
Russell         Adam                 Craigs                Craigs     Antrim
Russell         James                 Dreen                Craigs     Antrim

And one for McKay:
Mc Kay          Eliza                 Craigs                Craigs     Antrim

While I don't know if either of these are 'my' McLaughlins etc, it's possible. A Robert McLaughlin moved with his family to Scotland, at some point before 1871, and I've various bits of information on the family from then on, the other names coming from his death certificate and that of his wife Elizabeth Russell. (His daughter Elizabeth was my g-grandmother.)

Is there any kind soul, please, who can help with this one?
Jenny

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Re: Griffiths Valuations please - Mc Loughlin and Russell - Craigs
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 10 July 08 17:24 BST (UK) »
Remants of 1851 census for Craigs here:
http://home.iprimus.com.au/s_steffensen/Census_Files/1851Craigs.txt

#198 there's an Easter McLaughlin in household
#242 Margaret Russel and son Edmund

See website for full details. Could only find the two entries with those surnames but you might want to check through whole page in case I missed any there.
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Re: Griffiths Valuations please - Mc Loughlin and Russell - Craigs
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 10 July 08 18:09 BST (UK) »
Thanks greatly for the census fragments link. It's quite possible that the 'Easter McLaughlin', servant, or the household of Margaret Russel and her son, may be related to my people. It is such a great pity - as so many people have said before me! - that so little remains of the censuses, and even what we have is fragmentary. And of course 'my' ones could have been in Craigs, Dreen, Cullybackey...

What I suspect is that they were scattered across the three areas but that they were split between Presbyterian and (just maybe) Catholic families. Cullybackey had the Presbyterian church (still does!) and Craigs the official CoI one, hence the name of the parish which extends more broadly. I was visiting there in the pouring rain last month, on my way from Derry to the Larne ferry, and got a few photos.

Even the wee bit of census gives a sense of the area - farming and linen weaving. Cullybackey was a centre for the making of linen shirts... And from my lot, Andrew Russell, the father of Elizabeth who married Robert McLaughlin around 1835, was a bleachfield labourer.

Thanks again. I'll hope that somebody has access to the GV and can let me know the details from that, of rateable values etc, which may help to give an idea further to this.

Jenny

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Re: Griffiths Valuations please - Mc Loughlin and Russell - Craigs
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 17 July 08 20:44 BST (UK) »
Looks like William and Robert of Craigs were on the same piece of land,  and in adjacent properties on map being 127/2/29 and 30. Robert having 30 perches and paying rates of 5 shillings for the land and 1 old pound for the building, whilst William paid only for buildings as he had a small gardemn. Payment being 1 old pound.
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Re: Griffiths Valuations please - Mc Loughlin and Russell - Craigs
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 17 July 08 20:56 BST (UK) »
At same piece of land as above were Anne Russell of Craigs at 127/2/19 being House, Office and garden. 10 perces. Rates land = 5 shillings, buildings 15 shillings. Adam Russell of Craigs at 127/2/27 being House and garden. 1 rood. Rates land = 7 shillings, buildings = 18 shillings.
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Re: Griffiths Valuations please - Mc Loughlin and Russell - Craigs
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 17 July 08 21:00 BST (UK) »
Eliza M'Kay was at 51/c. House only. Rates buildings = 10 shillings.

James Russell of Dreen was on 4/b. House only. Rates buildings = 1 old pound.
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Re: Griffiths Valuations please - Mc Loughlin and Russell - Craigs
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 17 July 08 21:00 BST (UK) »
Hi - I don't suppose you have access to the map?  I've been trying to pursue that but having no luck there.

I do think that maybe the Russells there may be related to the Elizabeth Russell who was married to Robert McLoughlin/McLaughlin and so who wouldn't be in the valuation.

Thanks greatly for this,
Jenny

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Re: Griffiths Valuations please - Mc Loughlin and Russell - Craigs
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 17 July 08 21:05 BST (UK) »
Sorry, no. I do know that Ballymena Local Studies dept hold maps. You can contact them via email at this link:

http://www.familia.org.uk/services/ni/northeast.html
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Re: Griffiths Valuations please - Mc Loughlin and Russell - Craigs
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 17 July 08 21:08 BST (UK) »
Did your Robert McLaughlin have any children after arriving in Scotland. If yes, birth certificate should give place of marriage for Robert if you do not already have same.
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