Author Topic: John MONTAGUE - convict transported to Western Australia-arriving 1852  (Read 4295 times)

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Re: John Montague - convict transported to Western Australia-arriving 1852
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 07 March 12 12:42 GMT (UK) »
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Re: John Montague - convict transported to Western Australia-arriving 1852
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 07 March 12 12:47 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Hanes Telou for the information are you a descendant

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Re: John Montague - convict transported to Western Australia-arriving 1852
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 07 March 12 17:02 GMT (UK) »
No, I'm not a descendant!! Another bit of the puzzle -

Northern Star, Saturday 19 April, 1851
Central Criminal Court - Burglary

James Bryant, 26, tailor, and John Montague, 23, labourer, were indicted for breaking into and entering the dwelling house of a Charles A Jones, and stealing a coat valued at £2.-The police stated that on the evening of the 25 March they were watching the two prisoners, and after seeing them try several street doors, saw them open the door of the prosecutor's house, and presently return with a coat, with which they were making off, when they stopped them. On the road to the station Bryant threw away a bunch of picklock keys.-They were both found Guilty.-Besides several separate convictions against them, it was proved that they had been for years uniting in concert as cracksmen and had been jointly tried, convicted and imprisoned for stealing in a dwelling house.-They were sentenced to fourteen years transportation.

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Re: John Montague - convict transported to Western Australia-arriving 1852
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 08 March 12 00:27 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much Hanes Teulu I really appreciate what ever you can tell me.we are not related the plot thickens. Sincere thanks.


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Re: John Montague - convict transported to Western Australia-arriving 1852
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 08 March 12 09:24 GMT (UK) »
If you haven't already checked, John Henderson/Montague's appearances at the Central Criminal Court can be seen on line -

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org

John Henderson on 4 March 1850 and John Montague on 7 April 1851

In an earlier post I said he "appeared in Court on 25th March 1851". Correction - he was "nabbed" on the 25th and was in custody awaiting trial on the Census date.

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Re: John Montague - convict transported to Western Australia-arriving 1852
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 08 March 12 11:55 GMT (UK) »
Hanes Teulu thank you very much.
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Re: John Montague - convict transported to Western Australia-arriving 1852
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 08 March 12 12:13 GMT (UK) »
Does anyone know anything about convict John montagu prior to his conviction.eg.
  The first 19 years, his family or siblings anything at all ? He was a good hardworking man in Aust. Good but a very hard father.  Actually no one even knew he was a convict while he was alive until about 30 years ago and there was and still are relatives who don't or won't believe it. Thanks