Islington parish - but which one?

[Necromancer]

No idea about Willis - 

I'm trying to see if David (c1828) and William (c1834) were brothers - Davids eldest lad Robert was born Westminster 1Q1851, and on the 1851 census they are transcribed 'Dear', altho mum is Harriet, not Janet...

but I cant find William before 1871 at the moment ....

[dog rose]

Thanks for looking

[rosie99]

freebmd has a birth reg for Elizabeth Fraser Deas June qtr 1871 Pancras 1b 30

Rosie

added  I think this Elizabeth is more likely to be William and Janes daughter

Sorry I added this without checking later posts

[Necromancer]

Let that be a lesson for you 


Why cant I find that pic of my dog ..... 

[jorose]

I would look for a parish church in St. Pancras where the Deas children were christened - son David appears to have been christened in St. Pancras (on the IGI) - so you could try and find the later baptisms and see if she was christened in the same place.

A possiblity is that the father was actually the son David, who was 18 years old in 1871, given the surname 'Willis' on the certificate so that it would match the surname Elizabeth was using. I can't spot son-David in later records - can anybody place him?

(There is a family living at Rochester Terrace in 1881, near to College Street I think, headed by Henry Willis, organ builder, daughter Edith, 30, apparently did not marry and is still in Pancras in 1901, as a pianoforte teacher. They are also there in 1871).

Janet Deas probably died in 1908, aged 83 - might be worth looking to see if she left a will.

[dog rose]

I thought I would just add an update.  I now believe that the Elizabeth Willis I am looking for is in fact Lizzie Willis Carter, born 20.5.1870 at 96 Barnsbury Road, Islington West.  Father Henry Thomas Carter, a pianoforte maker, mother Susan Carter, formally Willis.

I cannot find a marriage as yet between Henry and Susan; in fact in 1861 Henry appears to be married to Roda (I am looking for a death).

I have found a Susan Carter who dies in Jun-Sept 1870 (have to get certificate) aged 20.  I am wondering if Henry then gave the baby to Janet Deas.

I will have to try and find out when Henry died and if he made a will.   I would be grateful on any information on how I go about that.

Rosemary

[avm228]

Interesting - thanks for updating

I cannot find a marriage as yet between Henry and Susan; in fact in 1861 Henry appears to be married to Roda (I am looking for a death).

Her name does look like Roda in 1861 - but perhaps she is in fact Rosa?

Marriage

Henry Thomas Carter
Rosa Brecks

on same page, Jun 1861 Pancras 1b 47

If this is them and they really were married, they must have been very newly married as the census was taken on the night of 7-8 April 1861.

Anna

[avm228]

Rosa's still alive in 1871:

RG10/3296/41/10
Nether Broughton, Leicestershire

William Brex* Head Widr 69 Parish clerk Leicestershire Nether Broughton
Rosa Carter Daur Mar 35 Piano Forte Maker's Wife Leicestershire Wartnaby

*The family name is also spelt Brex in 1841: HO107/593 bk 11 f4 p4

And her likely death:

Rosa CARTER aged 35, Sep 1871 Pancras 1b 21

Anna

[avm228]

Marriage

Henry Thomas Carter
Rosa Brecks

on same page, Jun 1861 Pancras 1b 47

If this is them and they really were married, they must have been very newly married as the census was taken on the night of 7-8 April 1861.

IGI has this marriage, which shows that they were indeed very newly married when the census was taken:

Rosa BRECKS
Henry Thomas CARTER

3 Apr 1861 Old Church, St Pancras

Anna