McLEAN/McCLAN

[Shane H]

Hi Patti

One of my Cooks in Ipswich - Charles Cook (who married the strangely-named Humiliation Lion) was an iron founder, in case that helps in deciphering.

Shane

[Shane H]

I see that Kazi has posted more on Tobias and the Smiths link to the Booths at https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=584511.171

Shane

[idlecat]

Thanks Shane, I’ve attached the death cert. It’s too young to be our Charles.
I knew about Toby smiths execution but it was mortifying reading the file. I think he married just days before his death and yes he was related to the Macklins. His sister Viraminta b. 1768 married Marks William Curtis, son of William Curtis from whom he stole the mare . William is my 5x g gfather. His daughter Sarah had a daughter Elizabeth with Charles Macklin 1778 .
What a tangled webb.
This is a useful tool to peruse if you have time to spare http://www.geocities.ws/seraphim_angel_2002/Gypsyindex1.html

[Amanda G]

Evening,

I am so glad to see that someone else thinks the mother of the Welch children was a Shaw!
I have been wondering if she was the Mary Baptised 1771 Clifton, Bedfordshire daughter of Moses and Susannah Dimmock, the Welch Marriage I think is in Islington 1795

Such a lot to go through, will keep me busy for a while but I might just connect Mary Shaw up to see if the DNA does anything

Virmanta Smith I can see DNA matches from her but I need to expand her family and check it out

Kind regards
Amanda

[idlecat]

Today I was dipping into ‘ my ancestors were Gypsies  ‘and came across a section under military service
Charles joined Bedfordshire Militia
Interesting he states that Charles ‘ brother James joined the Royal East Middlesex militia and died at Waterloo. Reference Lt. Col. C P Hawkes ‘ Gypsy bloood’ in Geneologist mag. Vol 6 no. 9 p.395

[Shane H]

Oh wow, Patti! I've not come across that before. Does the footnote 26 it mentions give a source for that? An old soldier near where I live once suggested I write a book on Suffolk men who served at Waterloo (as I was writing one about the soldiers on the local war memorial), but it looked too much of a big project to me. Thanks, Shane

[Shane H]

Oops, just seen that you gave the reference!

[Shane H]

Hi Patti

I've now finally got a copy of the Hawkes article, as attached, which i've converted to txt then pdf format from the photos I took of the pages, to reduce the file size. It's a very interesting article, but there's no mention of Macklins/McLeans, so more work is needed to track down a source for the Waterloo reference.

Shane

[Shane H]

As I understand it, the militia only operated at home, so James McLean may have been a militia man, but he would have had to join a regiment/unit in the regular army to have fought at Waterloo. any military experts out there by all means correct me on that