1851 Census for Berkshire lookup request

[jules2465]

James and Jane were married in the Parish of Fulham in the county of Middlesex

have to check on James and Annie's place of marriage.

[heywood]

In 1841 James and Eliza are there as Smith so no clues re name - that is if this is same family.
Best wait until certificate arrives as you say- please keep us informed - it's intriguing.

best wishes
Kath

[jules2465]

You have no idea (or maybe you do ) how long it's taken to track James and his family down... I can't believe his name is spelled so many different ways.  You have helped so much in filling in the many gaps. 

I have records that I've unfortunately left at home, I will post some dates tonight but I think one of the kids was born in Surrey.  I didn't even know about Walter Sime (Smith) he is news to me.  I knew about Alfred and Charles.  Jessie is there somewhere but she is a bit of a mystery too. 

I'll post more info when I get my hands on it

I'm in Canada... I wish I were in England to do some hands on research myself.  thank you again for helping me.

[Necromancer]

Hey The Newfster- look what I found     and will post in full even though you can all access it!

1881 RG11; Piece: 79; Folio: 20; Page: 33

32 L Sloane Street Chelsea

J E Smith mar 38 yrs carpenter b Windsor
J Smith wife 34 yrs b England
W Smith son 11 yrs b Surrey
J Smith daur 9 yr b Surrey
A Smith son 6 yrs b Middx. Chelsea

how good is that 

I am so pleased - they were obviously in their 'tell 'em nowt' ,mood at the time of census.

heywood

Brilliant !


The old 'Initials' variation eh   

Only this morn I was looking for some Hilliers using initials, to no avail tho ...

Strange I didnt think about it with this lot ...... 

[jules2465]

I guess there is the surrey connection you were looking for... both Jessie and Walter were born in Reigate Surrey. 

I don't think I ever would have found them under the name Smith... very confusing.

[Necromancer]

It could be as simple as yer mauns handwriting  ..... filled in the enumeration form and when it was collected and copied onto the forms we see today, it was read as SMITH !

[jules2465]

I guess that could be it in the 1891 Census it's written as Seine... but it gets more clear after that... it's just weird that his son Charles is shown with his Uncle as Smith as well.  very strange... wonder if they were hiding from something.

All the birth records I have from that period are all Sime or Sim

[heywood]

yes I agree it is so odd - they are written as Smith but you read so often here that one lots is called ... and the other  ....
We'll look at the birth certificate and see what happens!!

[jules2465]

So here is the info I have:

James Edwards Sime and Jane Withers married on 28 April 1867; James is a carpenter; residence is Fulham; father's name is James Sime also a carpenter; her father is Charles Withers who is a carpenter as well.

Birth record for Edward Charles born 28 Jan 1868, 4 Clifton Place, west Brompton; father James Edwards Sims; mother Jane Sims formerly Withers

Birth record for Jessie born 22 Feb 1872, Earlswood Reigate; Father Edwards Sime, carpenter; mother Jane Sime formerly Withers

Birth record for Alfred born 30th Aug 1874, 53 Upper manor Street, Chelsea; father James Edward Sim, carpenter; mother Jane Sim formerly Withers