Harwood, Waringstown

[walterjadamson]

I'm concentrating on the Moore/Harwood connection.  Its seems to me that my Great Grandfather John Hamilton Adamson was the brother of the Adamson that married Joshua Moore from where Elizabeth Moore sprang and married William John Harwood.

Otherwise why would have my father Henry James have returned to the inheritance related to the Post Office run by the two Harwood sisters?

There must be a connection there from the Harwoods to my Adamsons.

So if anyone can shed light on the marriage details of Joshua Moore and then Elizabeth Moore with William John Harwood that would be fabulous.

Thanks, Walter Adamson

[KatC]

Still looking at Adamsons.

I think John Adamson and Margaret Hamilton are the parents of your John Hamilton Adamson.  However, if your birthdate is correct, they may be the grandparents.   It takes a lot of guessing, but may save costs if you look for a birth certificate. Emerald Ancestry & familysearch say John and Margaret Hamilton had son John in Oct. 23, 1868.  There is a chance that John Hamilton Adamson thought he had a better chance of emigrating if he were younger than he actually was.  Your birthdate may be incorrect.  It is easy to check if there was a likely John born in 1879.

David Frazier posted a lot of Adamson church records on-line several years ago.  Also someone mentioned that the Harwoods ran the post office, but there were Adamsons there, too.  In the Magherana census 1901 is George Adamson 47 and Elizabeth 48 with dau Emily Jane 17 who works at the post office and Sarah Eliza 13 and niece Emily Jane McKenzie.  The wife was a McKenzie and the daughters appear in Frazier's listing.  This family must then be connected to Harwoods and went to that particular church.

This is also supported by Proni's wills where William John Harwood and John Adamson are involved with George's estate.

The records also mention a John Adamson who dies in Magherana before the census.  I would guess this is the father of George, but there is no similar George listed in Frazier's church records.

Living near George is John Adamson 57 and Elizabeth 40.  I can find no marriage and no children anywhere for them.  This may be the John mentioned in George's will. Is he the son of John and Margaret then?  However. an age error of 10 years is common and more likely than one of 24 years. 

Agnes Ann is, I would guess, the daughter Ann of John and Margaret Adamson in the listing.  This is somewhat supported by her age at marriage being probably before 1840 as she was married in 1860.  John was born about 1814 and died 1884 if this is the correct father.   

Anyway, you can see there is a lot of guessing here.  The Joshua Moore marriage takes place in a Presbyterian church which may mean the above guesses are incorrect.   I will look for Adamson births soon in an index as knowing whether your birthdate is correct will help.

[walterjadamson]

KatC, thanks for all the good work.

My birthdate for John Hamilton Adamson comes from my father's birth certificate:
"Fathers name, occupation and birthplace":
1. John Hamilton Adamson
2. Carpenter
3. 30 years
4. Down, Ireland.

Dated 11th April 1910.

That means JH would be born in 1880 or 1879 if he was telling the truth.  I have wondered at times if we was telling the truth even about his name but there must be emigration records.

It's said that he emigrated in about 1900 although he may have been a seaman and later decided to step off ship in Australia and receive the emigration bonus.

Do you have the URL to David Frazier's posts - I did have some correspondence from him a while back as Rev Frazier although his email address no longer responds.

Regards, Walter

[walterjadamson]

Coming back to the "Harwoods/Waringstown" heading of this thread, I have something which may be of interest.  It's taken me a while to go back through my files as I was distracted by wanting to find a good website for family history - I've now settled on MyHeritage.com and while I'm not sure what you can see when unregistered I spend the last while putting up my tree at http://adamsons.myheritage.com

Some time ago Ronnie Harwood faxed me with notes about his history and a relationship to the local Adamsons.  KatC you may have seen this in another form?

It's kind of hard to read in parts, but other parts are clear.

For example the Great Grandfather (Paternal) James McCartney married Mary Gracey brn Scotland died age 84.

(There is a record in the Rosalind Davies site as follows "Miss Mary GRACEY, Donaghcloney, married James McCartney 2 May 1856 at Magheralin Church of Ireand; mother of Mary b. 1871 (regd. Waringstown).")

Great Grandfather (Maternal) Moore - Unknown Data (sic) married Agnes Anna Moore (nee Adamson) died Waringstown.

That would be Joshua Moore.

Ronnie lists his mother as Agnes Anna McCartney born 1899 Waringstown Co Down Northern Island.

The part marked "Father" is one of the spots where I have trouble deciphering the handwriting and where I'm sure others would help because of their knowledge, it seems to be "George something Farrell brn something 14 1892 died JAN something 1936 brn Bainbridge Co Down".

Ronnie lists aunts and uncles.

I'm not sure how Farrell is the father of Ronnie when his mother is listed as a McCartney but that's because I'm missing something in all the valuable information supplied by Ronnie.

If you haven't heard this before from Ronnie I can post the images of the fax, and if we wish to decipher together to get a complete transcription I can set up a wiki page with access for people to edit the details until we get it all clear.  Let me know if that is of interest.

Ronnie's address on the fax is (*)

I've attached a reduced quality image of one page (because of file size upload limitations) of the of the fax.  Reducing the two to fit the upload made them too hard to read.  I can send both full quality to those interested or create the wiki and post them there as I mentioned above.

Walter Adamson
Melbourne, Australia

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[KatC]

I don't know why my last reply disappeared.  However, I went through Adamson births and the listing I have is incomplete.  However, I did find Elizabeth McKenzie and George had a son John Hill Adamson in 1877.  He was not with his parents in 1901 and I haven't noticed him, though he could be about.   With a sister working for the post office under the Harwoods, the right inititals, and Harwoods handling George's estate, this sounds like a possible answer.

If JH returned in 1913, then that would be about the time of George's death per PRONI wills. 

If it is the answer, then George would have John listed as a father on his marriage records January 13, 1877.  You can get quick copies of the record or go through the Mormon church for a cheap record.  I can get the volume to rent if you want to go that route.



Frazier's message is Jan 19, 2001 on Rootsweb, Co. Down. The address may have caused my message to disappear.  He lists a George 10 years younger who is a son of William and Ann.  If William is the father of George above, then John Hill is probably not John Hamilton.

 Do you want the 1901 census for Donaghcloney (townland) with Agnes Ann on it?  Sarah is her mother and I can't see how that fits, so you will need a look.  It has a bunch of McKenzies and is not double checked for errors.  I can't reach your site without membership, and Rootschat pm space is often too small for census records.   Please send me a pm with your address. 

[Hewetson]

My name is David Frazer and I was brought up in Waringstown , County Down. My mother was Mary Elizabeth Harwood, the daughter of Ruric Harwood, whose sister's Mary (Judy) and Hettie (Agnes Anna) ran the Post Office. There was another brother Arthur (Jack) and a sister, Eileen (who married a Hamilton). William John was married to Elizabeth Moore. His father was John Harwood, who worked as coachman at Waringstown House and he was married to Margaret McCourt. I have lots of records, relating to Harwoods and Adamsoms. My address is (*) and telephone number (*). e mail (*)

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[OTTO]

I was at PRONI today and happened to notice that they have will records for;

Hugh Harwood  29-11-1907
Wm John Harwood 22-01-1904
Not sure if these dates are date of death or date of probate.

These may have info of use to someone.
Also Waringstown School records are available via the original School Register.

OTTO

[aghadowey]

Hugh Harwood  29-11-1907
Wm John Harwood 22-01-1904
Not sure if these dates are date of death or date of probate.

See www.proni.gov.uk and search 'Harwood' in Will Search to see full extract details- there are actually 3 entries:
William John Harwood died 18 Jan.1903 granted 22 Jan.1904
Hugh Harwood died 23 Jan.1907 granted 29 Nov.1907
William John Harwood died 26 Jan.1916 granted 27 Mar.1916

[Hewetson]

William John Harwood, who died 1916 is my gt grandfather. He was postmaster in Waringstown. His wife, Elizabeth Moore, had an Adamson mother, married to Joshua Moore. His daughter, my great aunt, was called Agnes Anna and, in turn, became postmistress.