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Re: Silk Mill Derby
« Reply #18 on: Friday 24 April 09 22:50 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I do have the book Old Derby Silk Mill by H. Butterton.  This is a general history of the
original Derby Silk Mill built by the Lombe Brothers C1715, it does mention other mills in
Derby however there are very few individuals mentioned.

If you would like to post the name of your ancestors I will take a look to see if they are mentioned.

Would just like to say that not all Mill owners were unjust, and in a number of cases the Factory
Inspectors giving evidence in the 1840's discovered that a number of parents had  had their
children of about 10 or 11 years of age baptised stating they were 13 years old, with this certificate
they then put them to work in the Mills avoiding the restrictions on child labour laid down by the
1833 Factory Act.

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Re: Silk Mill Derby
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 25 April 09 23:07 BST (UK) »
Thanks spendlove. Derby girl said that there was information about my ancestor on page 62 of the book. His name was William Parkin Morley, and along with his twin brother John Patterson Morley, they owned a silk throwster corporation (this is what it says on the 1851 census). The census also says they lived at Depot Cottage and Depot Mill respectively. I know William Parkin was born in Leek, but married Sophia Cholerton in Derby on 1849, so he was in Derby by then. The family moved to Ireland around 1855, so they were not in Derby for all that long. The census also states they employed 34 men, 150 women and 80 children so it must have been a fairly big operation. Each brother also had 2 servants, so they must have been doing well for themselves. I appreciate any help you are offering. Thanks very much.
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Re: Silk Mill Derby
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 25 April 09 23:14 BST (UK) »
Dear Amanda and Spendlove
Mr Butterton wrote two books - the first one which I don't have was just on the Old Silk Mill - I've got his second which is on silk manufacture in general in Derby.
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Re: Silk Mill Derby
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 25 April 09 23:54 BST (UK) »
Thanks Derby Girl. I have emailed the Local Studies again to see if they have a copy of the book you mentioned, and if they will scan it and email it to me. Fingers crossed :-)
Thanks again for your help
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Re: Silk Mill Derby
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 26 April 09 09:33 BST (UK) »
Hi Amanda,

Re the entry in the 1841 Census for William P. Morley, I think you will find that it states:-
Silk Throwster,  co-partner with J P Morley. Employing  24 Men, 150 Women & 80 Children - 254.

The entry for John P. Morley has a similar entry:- Silk Throwster, co-partner with W P Morley.

The extract from the book, The Old Derby Silk Mill & Its Rivals by Harry Butterton states:-
"The diversity in location matched the expansion of the town southwards during these years
with the sale at long last of the Castlefields and Normanton estates.  Breaking the stranglehold of the feudal past on land to provide new sites for worker's housing.  As an illustration of this development, no less than four silk mills sprang up along the Normanton Road, three of them headed by members of the Morley family.

Taking the 1851 Census and the book entry, you are looking for a Mill named "Depot Mill", Normanton Road, Derby in the Parish of St. Werburgh.
In the book "The history of the County of Derby~" by Stephen Glover 1829, it lists  Messrs. Ambrose
Moore at the Depot Mill - so it looks as if the Morley Brothers took over a going concern.

You are unlikely to find any workers records etc., however you may be lucky and find land/property
transactions you need to search A2A via the National Archives web site.

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Re: Silk Mill Derby
« Reply #23 on: Friday 12 June 09 13:50 BST (UK) »
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/BygoneIndustries/SilkIndustries.html
BYGONE INDUSTRIES OF THE PEAK: SILK INDUSTRIES

interesting site
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notts/derbys clark
      "        "      stenson
        "       "    nicholson
       "     "        jarvis
                         castledine
    rhodes

 
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Re: Silk Mill Derby
« Reply #24 on: Monday 15 June 09 13:44 BST (UK) »
It is interesting that Moore St and Depot St are still there, though Ambrose St which ran parallel to Moore St, was demolished in the late 1960's. I still miss the aroma from Offiler's brewery which stood on Ambrose St :)  The Brewery site was formerly an Ordnance Depot (c1808) and then the Silk Throwsters (1820's)   and then  the Star Tea Company. Incidently, Brewer George Offiler's (born in Old Basford ,Nottm ) mother was named Newton Morley.

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Re: Silk Mill Derby
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 14 February 10 23:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sergeant Cecil
Do you know why George Offiler moved to Derby and have you any information about his life in Nottingham?

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Re: Silk Mill Derby
« Reply #26 on: Monday 15 February 10 14:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi

The following site give a little background information re George Offiler:-

http://youandyesterday.com/articles/Offilers'_Brewery_-_A_lost_Derby_pint

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