PROFFITT and GARDINER - Brailes

[karenlee]

Hi All

I am trying to find out some more information about William PROFFITT and Mary GARDINER who married 3 May 1758 in Brailes, Warwickshire. 

I do have 4 children to this couple..... Robert 1760, William 1761, Ann 1765 and Richard 1758 from whom I am descended. 

This family did end up in Oxfordshire, but it is before that time that I am interested in.  I would love to find if there were any more children to William and Mary, and if possible, any siblings and parents for either of them. 

Big ask I know.  If anyone has the Parish Records for Brailes or close by, could they please check and see if there is anything about these families?? 

Many thanks for any help or suggestions

Karenlee

[Trees]

I have had a contact this morning looking for this very couple I wonder if anyone is able to help with it please We know Richard married in Steeple Barton does anyone know if any of his siblings also married and why are the parents such a mystery?
Trees

[karenlee]

Send it my way Trees and between us we should sort it out....

Cheers
Karenlee

[bobalong]

Hi,
just found your post and see from your profile that you are still active so where did you get to with this?

I have traced my sister's female (ie mother's, mother's, mother's etc) line to Mary Prophet born in Steeple Barton to Robert Proffit(t) who some users on Ancestry have as a son to the Richard b1758 that you have.

Did you ever find out where they came from? As the marriage seems fairly adjacent to Richard's birth it may well be that they were shipped out to a relative and decided to stay there or legged it.

Mary ended up in Leamington Spa in Warwicks.

The baptism record for Richard (spelt Prophet incidentally) is available on Ancestry and I live in Warwick so if there is anything required from the record office I can go and get it.

Regards,
               Bob

[Trees]

Hi Bob can you confirm you are talking about Mary Proffit baptised
1816   17 Mar   PROFIT   Mary   d Robert & Sarah   M.B.   Labourer   wg
Robert married twice both brides being Sarah!
Mary's mother was his first wife
18 Oct 1813 Steeple Barton Robert Proffitt and Sarah Hayward they had 4 children before she died and was buried in SB 16 Dec 1819
He then married Sarah MOLE 11 Aug 1856 SB
Robert was baptised in SB
1790   7 Mar   Robert   s Richard & Ann   PROFIT   Pauper
I think Richard  married Ann Betts 5 Oct 1779 in Wroxton, Oxfordshire he is on the 1841 census HO107/ 889/ 5 fo 5 p 5 he was buried in SB
 1844   13 Mar   Richard   PROFIT   M.B.   88   to
I think he was baptised in Brailes maybe you could confirm this at the RO
22 Nov 1758 Brailes, Warwickshire Richard son of William and Mary
William married Mary Gardner 3 May 1758 in Brailes they had 4 children
This maybe Mary's burial in SB
1795   12 Oct   Mary   PROFIT
and William's again SB
1793   20 Apr   William   PROFIT   pauper

Let me know what you think of this and if you want more about the various children

[bobalong]

The 1841 and 1851 censuses have my Mary's year of birth as 1821 in Barton, Oxfordshire, and her marriage in 1842 has her as full age, father Robert Prophet. I could not find a Mary Prophet born in Barton in 1821 so she may have got her age wrong or lied about it as her husband was born in 1820.
Another piece of circumstantial evidence is that in the 1841 census she is living in the house of her future father in law and with her is a 15 year old Sarah Hayward who may have been her cousin.
Assuming it is the same person, have you any information on her mother, Sarah Hayward, as I need her to carry on the female line.
Thanks for this,
                     Bob

[Trees]

I assume you are looking at Mary Overton wife of William? On the 1851 census she is 30 living in Leamington Priors.
Remember the 1841 census ages were rounded to the nearest 5years so her age of 20 covers a birth periosd of 1816-1821 which is correct for a lady we know baptised in 1816 In 1851 she simply said about 30 if you look at the 1861 census she is down as 43
It looks like she died in 1863 but that will need confirmation
William is with his parents in 1841 also born 1816-1821 but where was he in 1851 his father was an Army penshioner in 1841 so was William also serving in the forces?
His baptism was at All Saints Leamington Priors, on 5 Dec 1819 he was 1 week old  to Samuel a labourer and Elizabeth

[Trees]

Sarah Hayward was baptised 14 Oct 1792in Ascot under Wychwood oxfordshire to JohnHaywood and Pheobe nee Mead
John died in ascot-u-w 18 Jul 1835 aged 78 so must have been born about 1757
he married Pheobe in AscotUW 25 Oct 1786 and they had three daughters Pheobe,Sarah and Hannah
Pheobe died in Ascot UW 5 Mar 1826 aged 76 so was born about 1750
But Don;t worry too much about the ages as age was not so important ti people in those times
I am afraid that is as far as I have gone as they are way out on the twigs of my tree but i hope this helps
Trees

[Trees]

This may be interesting
There is a notice in the London Gazette and in the Devises and wiltshire Gazette  both on Dec 11 1856 for a William Overton of Leamington Priors Warwickshire a builder becoming bankrupt
The same notice is repeated in several other papers So was William away from home building on the 1851 and 1861 censuses or did he serve a term in debtors prison? its worth a look