Author Topic: I've hit a brick wall. 'Cockney' John Neale. Died Easter Rising, Dublin, 1916.  (Read 4723 times)

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Described as ''London Irishman'' and an ''English-Irishman with a cockney accent''[1], John Neale was a ''young cockney member of the Irish Citizen Army''[2][3].

He acted as a lookout on top of the Metropole Hotel during the armed uprising against British rule in Dublin, Easter Week, 1916.

On the friday, ''As the building was being evacuated, his ammunition pouch was exploded by a stray bullet...Neale, whose lower torso was ripped to shreds, swayed and gasped to his neighbour, 'Can't you stand away and let a fellow lie down'. He was set down on a pile of mail stacks where he told Lieut. Traynore, 'I'm dying comrade' ''. He died the next day. [4]

Just when i thought i was getting some where, i've found a detailed description of an individual who matches Neale in everyway - using the word 'comrade', acting as a lookout and being fatally shot at the evacuation of the Hotel Metropole. Yet, he is described as an ''American''[5]


Any hints, tips or advice on finding this man's story, his background and his family history?

Thanking you in advance.


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[1] p.168-9/212 'Agony at Easter, The 1916 Irish Uprising' by Thomas M. Coffey

[2] p.139-40. 'The Easter Rising' by Michael Foy and Brian Barton.

[3] Irish Citizen Army (active from 1913-47), small group of trained trade union volunteers established in Dublin for the defense of worker’s demonstrations from the police. It was formed by James Larkin and Jack White. Other prominent members included James Connolly, Seán O'Casey and Countess Markievicz In 1916, it took part in the Easter Rising – an armed insurrection aimed at ending British rule in Ireland.

[4] p.149-50. The Easter Rising' by Michael Foy and Brian Barton.

[5] p.41/2 Enchanted by Dreams: The Journal of a Revolutionary, By Joe Good. (Written in 1962)

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Re: I've hit a brick wall. 'Cockney' John Neale. Died Easter Rising, Dublin, 191
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 22 June 08 19:47 BST (UK) »
The references to John Neale being from London:

When the smoke cleared and the machine-gun fire abated, Lieutenant Oscar Traynor ordered Saurin and all but one of the other men at the top of the building to come down to the comparative safety of the lower floors. The man he left at the top was a London Irishman, who had no interest in descending to a level where his view of the action was restricted. Traynor after arguing with the man about the danger involved in remaining, decided it might be useful to leave someone on the roof as a firewatch. The man stayed, sitting on a parapet from which he could see the raging fire across the street and, through field glasses, the booming British artillery guns across the river.''

P.168-9.

''Still singing, the men moved to the Henry Street exit, where they waited again for the officers to give them marching orders. As they waited, their ranks became gradually less orderly, then completely broke down, until the men were milling around each other, asking questions, exchanging rumours. In the confusion, one of the hair-triggered shotguns went off, spraying out a cartridgeful of pellets. Charles Saurin of the Metropole garrison was hit in the palm of his hand, but not seriously injured. Andy Furlong was hit in the leg, and so was the man next to him, an English-Irishman with a cockney accent.'


P.212. 'Agony at Easter, The 1916 Irish Uprising' by Thomas M. Coffey (1969)

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''...Traynor ordered his men to descend two storeys, except of a young cockney member of the Citizen Army called Neale. He had ruined his shoes and stockings on Easter Monday and replaced them in the Metropole with a guest's boots and a pair of girl's stockings which he pulled up to his knees. He now made a bizarre spectacle acting as a lookout during the bombardment, sitting right out on the parapet on the top floor and scanning O'Connell Street with a pair of field - glasses.''

P.139-40

''Just as the Metrople men were about to leave they lost Neale, their Cockney look-out. He was wounded when either a carelessly discharged shotgun or a stray British sniper bullet exploded an ammunition pouch like shrapnel in all directions. Neale, whose lower torso was ripped to shreds, swayed and gasped to his neighbour, 'Can't you stand away and let a fellow lie down'. He was set down on a pile of mail stacks where he told Traynore, 'I'm dying comrade'; an accurate prognosis because he expired the next day''.

P.149-50. The Easter Rising' by Michael Foy and Brian Barton. (2000)

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''A Cockney member of the Citizen Army, Neale, acted as a look-out at the Metropole Hotel. As the building was being evacuated, his ammunition pouch was exploded by a stray bullet. Seriously wounded, Neale gasped to his neighbour, 'Can't you stand away and let a fellow lie down'. Set down on a pile of mail stacks, Neale told Lieut. Traynor, 'I'm dying comrade'. He died the following day.''

P.657. James Connolly, 'A Full Life'. Donal Nevin (2005)

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''John Neale, Cockney member of the Irish Citizen Army, often used the term 'comrade'. He took 'pot-shots' at nelson's nose on the pillar until Connolly toldhim to desist.''


P.166, 'List of men in the GPO Headquarters Battalion'. 'Where's Where in Dublin. A Directory of Historic Locations 1913-23.' Joseph E.A. Connell Jr. (2006)

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Re: I've hit a brick wall. 'Cockney' John Neale. Died Easter Rising, Dublin, 191
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 22 June 08 19:50 BST (UK) »
This individual has to be Neale, but he is described as being an American:


''There was one older man, an American, who appeared particularly daring. Every now and then he stepped out on the balcony to asses what might be going on...This American continued to offer himself as lookout at any opportunity and, as I felt he was taking my responsibility, I more than once remonstrated with him. But he always got there before me and addressed me cheerfully as 'comrade'. He was not one of the Volunteers, or an Irishman, but an American and a revolutionary who asked if he might join us. I recognised him at first by his accent, though i had met him once before - and briefly - as far back as 1913 when he was speaking on a platform at Hyde Park corner in London on behalf of the IWW (the Industrial World Workers (sic)).

He was to die fighting with us and for us, but we do not know where he is buried, and I have never found out his name, though I think he may later have been honoured by the erection of a plaque to his memory in Limerick City. He was our gallant 'Unknown Warrior'. When I saw him that time in Hyde Park, speaking eloquently, and obviously with first-hand acquaintance, of the 'Wobblies' - or IWW - he looked hungry and sounded hoarse. He needed a question that would give him some useful openings. I put a couple to him - and was then promptly invited on to his box. This I declined, but the good-humoured Londonders bought his pamphlets when I passed them around.

It was the nasal American tone voice that made me recognise him, now in the Hotel Metropole, under heavy fire from 'imerialist' forces. He told me that he had reported to Liberty Hall looking for James Connolly when the fighting began - he'd obviously known of Connolly as an international socialist - though he insisted that he was unaware of our Volunteer revolutionary movement. A woman of the Cumann na Mbann, who had been left behind by Connolly to direct latecomers at Liberty Hall, asked him why he was there, and he said that he was looking for Connolly. She asked him why. When he told her he wanted to join in our revolution, she said 'We don't need the assistance of an Englishman'. He had enjoyed this accusation, he told me, because he'd never before, in several countries, been mistaken for anything other than an American.

Later, during the evacuation of our men from the Metropole to the GPO, he was hit by a tracer-bullet which exploded a big a haversack of ammunition which he insisted on carrying and had refused to abandon, He was to die from a great loss of blood, but not until after our surrender. I'll always be glad I was able to be with him almost to the end''

p.41/2


(Good is now in 16/17 Moore Street helping the wounded, after the evacuation from the GPO)


''I had left a man apparently dying on the top floor of the next house. I had been busy, but went back to have a look at him. He was lying on the floor, badly wounded in the abdomen - a haversack of shotgun cartridges he had been carrying was hit and exploded. The Red Cross man and I trussed him like a chicken to compress the stomach; he had bled an awful lot. I put my long mac under him. It was only then that i recognised him. It was 'Comrade'.

Two of your officers were sleeping on a bed in an adjoining room. One was a poet. he should have known better. We took their mattress. One takes what one will in a revolution - and 'Comrade' got the benefit of it. I saw him every now and again. He was still feeling cold, and I pretended to pile more things on him. He always asked very brightly, 'How are things going, Comrade?' and, at last, consoled me by saying, 'The Darkest hour is before the dawn'. It would be a long time yet before the dawn.''

p.58/9


(The volunteers are about to leave Moore St. to surrender their arms)


''I had a word with 'Comrade' before I left. We said we would meet again. We never did. Some kindhearted Tommy loosened his bindings and he died in three hours, I was told later''

p.72. Enchanted by Dreams: The Journal of a Revolutionary, By Joe Good. [Memoir written in 1962]

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Re: I've hit a brick wall. 'Cockney' John Neale. Died Easter Rising, Dublin, 191
« Reply #3 on: Friday 04 July 08 13:37 BST (UK) »
anyone?


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Re: I've hit a brick wall. 'Cockney' John Neale. Died Easter Rising, Dublin, 1916.
« Reply #4 on: Friday 05 November 10 18:20 GMT (UK) »
If you're still looking, there's an interesting discussion on the Irish forum boards.ie about this:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055710406

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Re: I've hit a brick wall. 'Cockney' John Neale. Died Easter Rising, Dublin, 1916.
« Reply #5 on: Friday 03 December 10 12:27 GMT (UK) »
If you're still looking, there's an interesting discussion on the Irish forum boards.ie about this:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055710406

Thanks. I started that particular thread!  :)

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Re: I've hit a brick wall. 'Cockney' John Neale. Died Easter Rising, Dublin, 1916.
« Reply #6 on: Friday 03 December 10 12:36 GMT (UK) »
Moderator's Comment: original information restored to thread for reference and moved to Dublin board but this topic is now locked.
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!