Catherine Morris

[rwmarsh]

Looking for 1861 and 1881 census info on Catherine / catharine. She is the daughter of Robert Morris and Ann Millington born Sedgley Staffordshire in 1850. She appears on the 1851 Census aged 6 months. I do have her on the 1871 Census and 1891 / 1901 ... In the latter 2 with William Churm.

She certainly had 1 child (William) and maybe 3 others Thomas, John and Paul. In the 1871 Census she is recorded as Catherine Townsend but the surname could be due to father's previous marriage (her son was named William Townsend) and on his Birth certificate (which I have) the father was recorded as Paul Townsend. I think his dad was called Paul ... but I dont think that's his surname.

Richard

[Tati]

Hi Richard,

Have you noticed the dau-in-law (=stepdaughter) Mary Ann Townsend age 12 in 1851? Suggests Ann was a Townsend previously ... Maybe she didn't actually marry Robert Morris at all?

Was Catherine's birth registered in the name Morris at all?

I agree this doesn't solve the census mystery! So acccording to 1891 the boys Thomas (born ca. 1873) John (ca. 1876) and Paul (ca. 1878) were all born in Clifton Lancashire. 

I'm wondering about these, although the mother is called Emma! All sons are the right age (and Paul isn't that common)!
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=26645800
RG11/3878 83 36
Hard to tell whether the surname Townsend or Stanley is dittoed for all the boys...

I can't see the family unit in 1891 - Paul (surname looks like Hanley) seems to be shown as married to an Ann (previously Nicholls) in 1891, living in Pendlebury.

 

[rwmarsh]

Hiya Tati .... many thanks for the info

Looking on BMDs, Paul Stanley did in fact marry Ann Nicholls in 1886. The family unit of William Thomas John and Paul are living back with Ann Townsend who is co-habiting with William Churm (who she later marries) on the 1891 Census whilst Paul is with the 'Nicholls'. Whilst living with Paul the younger three have his surname 'Stanley' and the eldest William is a 'Townsend'. The critical part of the family is for me is 'Thomas' ... is he a Stanley or a Townsend?

I cant find a marriage for Paul and Emma (nor a death date for Emma if thats why Paul remarried) and Im still having difficulty locating in 1861 and 1881 Catherine Morris / Townsend

Any other clues anyone?

Richard

[Tati]

My thought was that Emma IS Catherine.

I'm not sure, looking at the 1881 image, whether the ditto is meant to apply to Stanley or Townsend, given the name Townsend was added later.

What do you mean by whether Thomas is a Townsend or Stanley? If you believe William's father was Paul then the later children probably were too? Legally, if Catherine never married Paul, they would be Townsends I guess ...
 
 

[annwi]

Yes Rosina was my grandmother.I thought there were 13 children as I have Laura Anne and Cadwaladr  Hughes as well as those you listed. I do not have any dates of when the children died. i would like to get in touch with you .