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Re: Teaching Family History in Schools
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 23 January 05 16:16 GMT (UK) »
I appreciate what Shanko is saying, but with all my teaching experience I still wouldn't touch it with a bargepole.  Indeed, I'm told that some LEAs forbid it anyway, because of the problems it can cause. 
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Re: Teaching Family History in Schools
« Reply #10 on: Monday 24 January 05 00:21 GMT (UK) »
I have two pre-school children and I must admit I am more concerned about them being taught to read and write properly. My step son has just passed his A-levels, he has handwriting that is illegible and would be lost without his spell checker! (At his own admittance.)

Family history could be combined with history lessons, as others have already suggested, but not necessarily centred on the families of the children.

For children to learn that we all come from different backgrounds and places and have different family structures can't be a bad thing if handled correctly. Maybe it would help them become more tolerant and less judgemental as adults.

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Re: Teaching Family History in Schools
« Reply #11 on: Monday 24 January 05 13:15 GMT (UK) »
It is a non starter, as far as i am concerned, because today in this country {England} there are so many one parent families, the poor kids can not even, go back as far as a  father, unless they just did their mothers line, it would be to embarrasing for some children,.so as previous rootschatters have said, dont make history personal.regards nora T
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Re: Teaching Family History in Schools
« Reply #12 on: Monday 24 January 05 13:55 GMT (UK) »
I was going to do an evening on Family Trees with my Brownie Pack...but after reading all your thoughts I can see that it just wouldn't be appropriate. I will check out the War Memorial and graveyard for inspiration.
Teddybear, I like your idea...been thinking of doing something like.
Thanks for the ideas everyone.
Nellie
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Biggs, Cooper, Druce, Hedges, Haywood, Francis,Ward, Skidmore, Pinfold, Dorn, Gardener, Hopgood - Oxfordshire
Francis, Clarke - Lambeth/Surrey
Rowland, Emmett, Lockhart - Southwark/Middlesex
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Re: Teaching Family History in Schools
« Reply #13 on: Monday 24 January 05 14:51 GMT (UK) »
I think we are the wrong group to ask about this. Obviously we have an interest in the subject, but what about the general public? I can cite my own brother as a classic example. When our father died recently and he went to register the death, he didn't even know where his own father had been born. I don't think he is untypical, so for this reason and all the other very valid reasons given earlier, I would support the use of a third party as the subject for the research.

We came up with a fairly interesting example in my own village. On the Roll of Honour website, there was a description of one of the WWI casualties that made me wonder why he was on our war memorial when there didn't appear to be any link to the village. Later, when I was transcribing marriage records, I came across the record of his daughter whose father's details were clearly given as a WWI fatality. I contacted the Roll of Honour people who were more than happy to get the story right and did some digging. It turns out this lady is still alive and her daughter serves lunches to my children at the school. She gave me some information and we found that her grandfather was the brother-in-law of another fatality, a link not known about. In digging about in the parish records, I managed to trace the family back to a birth in 1609. This would be an excellent example from which the children could learn and would not cause anyone any embarrassment (as long as the people concerned were happy to go along with this).
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Re: Teaching Family History in Schools
« Reply #14 on: Friday 06 January 06 22:55 GMT (UK) »
Wow, I'm almost a year late on this one, but I'll comment anyway....

How about giving children the CHOICE of doing either their own family, or another person's family?  That way, if kids are embarassed about their own line (or if they just find their own line too boring), they can pick the Royal Family, the Kennedys, or some other person who had a more interesting, unique line. 

In my university-level Anthropology class, we were doing a kinship study, and our prof showed us how to diagram family trees, showing various variations, e.g. divorces, multiple (consecutive and concurrent) marriages, etc., and challenged anyone to come up with something she'd not shown.  Someone very proudly stood up and said, "my uncle had a wife and they had three kids, one in wedlock, one before, then he divorced her, and my other uncle married her, had kids with her, then divorced her, and the other uncle married her again.  How do you diagram that?"  (The prof, for the record, was momentarily stumped, as the kids would be both half-siblings and cousins simultaneously).

Even though this is a university level class (by no means exactly comprable to a primary school classroom), it goes to show that even a family embarrassment can peak the interest of people who are otherwise totally disinterested in history beyond what happened yesterday.  Beyond that, it may be an interesting social fact that some children cannot do a family tree.  We can incorporate this into a study of a changing society (e.g. our ancestors may have been very interested in this, but we don't necessarily care;  we may be very interested in fashion, whereas they couldn't have cared less, etc.)

Beyond that, I think we should question what we really want to get out of a lesson such as this....  Looking at the Grade 8 syllabus for this province for English (that's what I'm currently teaching), related points this would cover include...
a)  Students establish personal connections to their reading
b)  Students use technology effectively
c)  Students use the library catalogues efficiently
d)  Students can do tasks in chronological order
e)  Students can present information in various written formats
f)  Students can explain how they determine fact from fiction
g)  Students can critically analyse information
i)  Students can cite their sources
Clearly, by assigning a family tree project, one is covering a lot of ground (even in Grade 8 English, and I imagine a whole lot more will be covered by assigning it to a Social Studies class).

In this century of political correctness, I realise we try not to offend anybody.  But anything we do will be offending SOMEBODY.  (Teaching the Anglo Boer War from a British perspective to a South African of Dutch descent can be offensive, as can the whole of WWII to a German immigrant). 

Basically, as long as we can point out that we are not necessarily anything like our predecessors, we're doing fine.  (Oh, and for the record, I've not yet assigned this to any of my classes...)

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Re: Teaching Family History in Schools
« Reply #15 on: Friday 06 January 06 23:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi Magistra

Having read your reply...I agree...we can't please everybody and as i am interested in this I WILL get my Broownies to do their Family Trees like you said...they can choose someone else if they wish.
Great...now I can combine 2 passions...

Thanks for the idea

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Masters - Somerset
Richardson, Masters, Langridge, Dyer, Chambers - Sussex
Dyer, Luscombe, Hurrell - Devon
Chambers - Brecon
Lambden, Hawkins - Berkshire
Biggs, Cooper, Druce, Hedges, Haywood, Francis,Ward, Skidmore, Pinfold, Dorn, Gardener, Hopgood - Oxfordshire
Francis, Clarke - Lambeth/Surrey
Rowland, Emmett, Lockhart - Southwark/Middlesex
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Re: Teaching Family History in Schools
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 07 January 06 07:01 GMT (UK) »
I suppose this will keep cropping up, because it does seem such a good way of teaching both history and research skills.  However, good teachers will, I hope, back off where they know their children well enough to understand how it will affect some of them.  It is not an answer to say that if they can't do their own trees they can do someone else's.  You have already put the child into the horrible position of wondering why he doesn't know who his father is.  Nellie, the fact that family history is a passion for us shouldn't blind us to the implications for other people.  I would just stress again, be very careful.
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Re: Teaching Family History in Schools
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 07 January 06 08:25 GMT (UK) »
Like Magistra I missed this thread earlier and I am amazed at the naivety of the answers.
There is not one class in any school in any country of the world that every pupil does not know the details of the family situation of every other child in the class.
(A bit extreme yes, but you get my drift. The children are aware of each others lives & situations)

Any teacher that thinks otherwise should not be teaching as they are blinkered.

Family history in schools is the perfect way to break down the prejudices that could cause the anguish in students, sweeping the facts under the carpet as if they are some dangerous secret is guaranteed to store up problems for that child as he/she is exposed to the world on leaving school.

Family history if taught properly is the only subject needed to practically fully educate a child.

It covers -

Reading, writing, arithmetic, history, geography, languages, social science, biology etc. etc.
It encompasses history, social history, local history, wide aspects of law, economics, archeology music and a thousand and one other subjects to turn self-righteous bigots into fully rounded useful members of society who can appreciate every eventuality thrown at them.
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