MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor

[krisesjoint]

MMM I have doubts Fizzy. I just looked at the original register and yes it says father John of St Columb Minor. John MARYN and Thomasine TURNAVINE were of Crantock. He was a husbandman/gentleman. The MARTYN tree gives them no issue. (admitedly its not foolproof) This couple lived in Crantock, their son was born and died in Crantock. They both died in Crantock. I believed they had no issue. 

Kris 

[fizzybubble]

I was fishing because he called his son Elias.

OK so who do you think this John of St Columb Minor is ?

Fizzy

[krisesjoint]

I thought he was the son of John and Pascos Fizzy, (but I have never seen the of St Columb Minor before.) 
I haven't traced Richard's other children. (and yes there is a will for Richard )  As I said my interest in this Elias was his second wife.

Even looking at John and Thomasine and a connection to these other Elias MARTYNs, it is quite removed. (They would be the grandson and great grandsons of this John's brother Joseph. These Elias' appear to be named for Elias HISCUTT who they are descended from. I don't see a will for John and Thomasine.

Kris 

[fizzybubble]

Another query.

On the Martyn tree John Martyn who married Gertrude Hiscutt in Helston in 1763 is stated as being the son of Joseph BUT on the marriage entry he is recorded as John MARTYN Junr which I think means he was the son of a John and not a Joseph.


Fizzy

[dmollison]

Dear fizzy bubble / krisesjoint

I don't think "Junior" is so restricted in its usage, though I'll be happy to be corrected by those with more experience of similar C18 register entries.  My guess is that it's distinguishing this John Martyn (1742-99, the one with 55(?) grandchildren in the Martyn Tree, and a prominent tomb at St Columb Minor) from his uncle John Martyn (1698-1782 ?).

Uncle John is the one who married Thomas Turnavine.  I have the marriage as 12 May 1739 St Columb Minor, which would fit with your Richard being their son.
Krisesjoint - where do you get the strong association of John  with Crantock from?  His parents were married, and he and all his siblings christened, in St C Min, tho' his mother at least came from Crantock.  [And Crantock and St C Min are next door to each other - from my memory of the map, Trevithick where some of the Martyns lived is almost on the border of Crantock - is that right? - so that whether they were christened/married in one church or the other may not be so significant.]

Best wishes, Denis

[SKIRO]

I have a family tree beginning with Thomas Martyn and Gertrude Turnavine - have some docs and pictures which I am happy to share, and which may be of interest, but haven't yet worked out how to post.  Any help would be appreciated.

Skiro

[dmollison]

Dear Skiro

Thanks.  How does your tree compare with the one by "marianne1" at
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=:1501551&id=I8
?
I keep a copy of this with some additional notes.
It seems to be partially based on the beautiful tree produced in the late 1850s showing Thomas & Gertrude and their descendants for 4 generations - giving them 160 g-g-g-children.
As this  and related threads have revealed both have  minor mistakes but seem generally very accurate.

We really need an editable version of marianne's tree that we could all edit!

best wishes  -  Denis

Marianne1 also goes back a lot earlier, particularly through the Mundy family to the 16th century.

[Goldberry]

Hi everyone

I've been reading this post with interest.

However, my link with the Martyn family is a little earlier than those mentioned above, by way of the marriage of Mary Martyn (1623 St Enoder) to Luke Bice (1613 St Enoder).  They married 30 Jan 1643 in St Enoder.

I believe Mary was the daughter of Nicholas Martyn (1573 St Columb Minor) and Ann Ryccard/Rickarrd (1591 St Enoder), who were married in St Enoder on 4 Jun 1613.

If I have the correct Nicholas Martyn, then the records say his father was John Martyn.

I have found a number of records for John Martyn of St Columb Minor, including two marriages:

1) Elyzabeth Nankevall 26 Apr 1579, of which the children appear to be:

1576 Margarett
1580 Thomas
1582 Elyzabeth
1583 Stephyn
1584 Dorothie
1586 Margery
1587 John
1589 Mary
1590 Henry

2) Catherine (Unknown) 29 Sep 1590, of which the children appear to be:

1593 Jone
1599 Catheryne

As Nicholas was baptised in 1573, I'm not sure what to make of that.  Was there only one John?  Did he marry three times?  (I recently found another ancestor who married three times)?

I'd be interested to know if anybody else has researched this part of the family.

[dmollison]

The intervals between baptisms are rather irregular and some very short, e.g. 10 Aug 1589 to 8 May 1590 is only 9 months. [I'm not certain whether old style, with the year ending in March, is being used here, as it would have been in the original register, but for this example it doesn't matter.]
So perhaps there were two overlapping sequences of births with different John Martyn fathers.

The mention of John Martyn & Elyzabeth Nankevall, m St Columb Min 26 Apr 1579, reminds me they come into the putative ancestry of the Thomas Martyn (1668-1734) with many descendants; see:

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=:1501551&id=I8

This tree gives Thomas's father Richard as a son of John & Elizabeth, but there seems too long a time gap.  I've just looked at the Cornwall OPCs online, and a more plausible line would insert an intermediate generation, as follows.

Thomas, c 20 Feb 1580, son of John Martyn and possibly Elyzabeth Nankevall, could be the father of seven children christened 1607-1624 in St Columb  Min, of whom the fifth is Richard, c 25 Apr 1619.  He'd be a little old to be father of Thomas, but not impossibly so (m 1668, Margaret Mundy b 1644).  Further he is quite likely the Richard Martyn Senr. buried 26 Dec 1693 St Columb Min.
["Senior" as opposed to another Richard Martyn buried 29 June 1693.]

This is all rather speculative - can anyone disprove or support?

Denis