MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor

[dmollison]

Hi from another 6th cousin!  And no, 3 times removed isn't appropriate, that would be if we were 3 generations different, whereas if I've counted right we're all 7 generations down from common ancestors John Martyn (1742-99) and Gertrude Hiscutt (1738-97).
I'm descended through their daughter Mary Martyn (1770-1845), who married James Liddell(ca. 1765-1839), printer and stationer in Bodmin, and had 10 children.

You say you are descended from her older sister Gertrude (1766-1844), who married Samuel Symons (1769-1820) of Trerice (I think that means he was tenant of the house now belonging to the National Trust and open to the public, though I'm not certain), and had 15 children (at least); two of whom married two of Mary's children (Gertrude Symons married James Liddell R.N., Elias Octavius Symons married Mary Liddell).
I think Ding is descended from one of JM/GH's sons.

As to going back further, Marianne Eastgate's info online -
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=:1501551&id=I8
- is mostly correct (a few small errors have been identified in these posts).  I don't know if Marianne is still active - that page is dated 2001.

Two of the original sources are:

(1)  http://www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/england/Cornwall/visitations/index.html
(pages 337-8), which confirms the descent of Thomas Martyn (1668-1734)'s mother Margaret from the Mundys of Rialton, and thus from all those Lord Mayors of London.
[Though I'm a bit puzzled about the details of the early 16th century Mundys. And
I'm not sure where Marianne got her separate descent - in one generation less - of Thomas's wife Gertrude Turnavine from the first Cornish John Mundy.]

(2) .. and for the descendants of Thomas Martyn & Gertrude Turnavine there's the beautiful tree, going as far as their 160 or so gggrandchildren (that includes your Gertrude's contribution of 15 and my Mary's of 10) that Ding has.

Ding - is there any chance you could get a digital photo of the whole tree?  I'm grateful for the photos of parts, but haven't been able to get them to stitch nicely together.

Best wishes (from Scotland - though I know North Cornwall quite well from childhood holidays)

Denis

[Country Lad]

Hi Kris and Ding

I must admit it was the mention of St. Columb Minor which actually caught my eye.   In one posting I noticed the surname Morrish.   That family was located around St. Enoder during the 1700s and there were a number of inter marriages between the Rickard and Morrish families.   I am also certain that the Rickard-Martin combination also happened during the 1800s but I now need to find the actual event in my records.

regards
Peter Rickard
Melbourne Australia

[Little_Family]

Hi,
My wife is descended from the James Liddell//Mary Martyn line.

We've just visited St Columb Minor and Bodmin with the Oz/NZ 2nd cousins who are from the same line.

When we were looking round the St Columb Minor church we saw some Martyn headstones and plaques that didn't seem to have been recorded on this forum so thought someone might be interested.

The floor plaque says:

Here lieth the remains of Thomas and
Margaret Elizabeth Martyn, son
and daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth
Martyn of this Parish. Thomas died
16th day of April 1790 aged 18
years and Margaret died 27th
of June the following aged 20 years

Grieve not for us our parents dear,
but for our sakes rejoice.
This God above so many more
hath made of us his choice

a lingering illness did our bodies seize
which neither time nor medicine could ease
till Heaven with tenderness surveyed our woe
and with a kind compassion gave the blow

Also near this place lies the body of
the above said Samuel Martyn who died
the 18th May 1792  aged 46 years.

I've taken a couple of photos but can't get them small enough to attach to this post. If anybody would like a copy, drop me a line.

Tim

   

[Little_Family]

Ref my previous post. Here are the inscriptions that noted down from Martyn headstones in the St Columb Minor graveyard.


Hannah Martyn
In memory of Hannah daughter of William and Mary died 31st May 1866 aged 17

Thomas, William John and Mary
Thomas Martyn June 3 AD 1858 aged 62
William, his father, Jan 5 1828 aged 70
John, his uncle, 8 Jan 1836 aged 92
John’s wife, Mary, Dec 6 1849, aged 95

Mary Martyn
Mary Martyn aged 69 July 1875 gone home



Apologies if you've already seen them and again, if you'd like a copy, drop me a note.

Just about to add some similar posts to the Liddell thread.

Tim

[mikeg13]

Not sure if the Martyns in my tree are connected to those mentioned, my 2nd great grandfather was Samuel Martyn (b. about 1805) on the 1851 census shown as born in Looe Cornwall, he married Jane Minards (b about1814) shown born in Polperro Cornwall, they married in London in London 1833.
Think his father was a John Martyn but that was from other researchers and have found no confirmation of that

[BarbaraCM]

Hi,

What an amazing forum to have googled upon!  It is the first time in my research that I have found a forum on a family that I am part of.  Thank you everyone.  My husband is a 4th ggrandson of  John Martyn m to Gertrude Hiscutt.  He descends through Dr. Thomas Martyn's youngest son, Silas Edward Martyn (1818-1887) who married Mary Matilda Allin. I don't have any info on the Martyn's except what I have read here and would appreciate any info that any of you might have on this line.  I have also just found M. Eastgate's tree and note that some of you see things differently.  The attached is of Silas Edward Martyn.

Nice to be here.   Barbara

[Little_Family]

Welcome to the forum Barbara,
John MARTYN and Gertrude HISCUTT are my wife's 4th Gt Grandparents. She comes down Mary Martyn's line.
I've got quite a bit of both the MARTYN and HISCUTT ancestors that I could send you if you're interested.
Not sure that I understand your husband's line. The only Silas Edward Martyn that I have is the youngest son of John and Gertrude (and married Meliscent SYMONS in 1820).
Tim

[dmollison]

He descends through Dr. Thomas Martyn's youngest son, Silas Edward Martyn (1818-1887) who married Mary Matilda Allin. I don't have any info on the Martyn's except what I have read here and would appreciate any info that any of you might have on this line.  I have also just found M. Eastgate's tree and note that some of you see things differently.  The attached is of Silas Edward Martyn.

Dear Barbara

Have you seen the Martyn tree - of descendants of Thomas Martyn & Gertrude Turnavine who married in 1696?  Silas Edward Martyn is one of their 160 or so ggg-children and appears just right of the top in the tree.  His oldest 4 children also appear - which helps date the tree as being compiled between 1856 and 1858.

I have the diary of 1860-63 of my ggg-parents George Walker and Susan Gertrude Liddell, she being another of the 160, and a 2nd cousin of Silas E.  This includes a few references to Silas E - referred to as "Edward Martyn" and to his son Charlie, who seems to have been a friend of, possibly at school with, her two oldest sons.
I append the extracts.

On details, yes, there are a few corrections to Marianne Eastgate's impressive file on the Martyns.  Also, I think Silas E was born in 1816/7 rather than 1818 - all his census entries and his age at death suggest this.

Best wishes

Denis

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From Walker Diary 1860-3 - Dr Martyn is Dr William Martyn, brother to Mr
Silas Edward Martyn.

20 Dec 1861
 A family dinner party. Dr. & Mrs. Martyn, Mr & Mrs.
Martyn, Emily and Mr. Byard and Mr Geach dined with us,
to meet Willie. The boys came home for the holidays this
afternoon, and all six were presented to the company!

16 Oct 1862
 Anna and I went to town, saw Leech’s pictures, lunched
with Mrs. Edward Martyn and then saw the Gould show at
the Horticultural Gardens. I returned alone. Anna Findlay
and George (who met us at the Gardens) went to the
Kensington Museum. All at home by our usual tea hour.

4 Jul 1863
 Mr. Nicholson and Mr. E. Martyn took tea with us.
Susie and Georgie at Surbiton to regale themselves on fruit.
Willie not at home until nine, having engaged to play a
match at cricket. Weather very warm and evenings most
pleasant.


26 Sep 1863
 Boys home, and Charlie Martyn with them. George
at offfice, altho’ it is Saturday. Weather decidedly getting
cold. I called on Mrs. Mackenzie.
27th Poor Mary Pearce died this afternoon. She has been dy-
ing for many weeks and has suffered very much of late. Her
mind was at peace, and she was quite ready to go. George,
Susie & I stayed to receive the sacrament.
28th. Rain today, and the boys are glad of their top coats.
Our first fire.
29th. The boys, with Charlie Martyn, and Bessie & Char-
lie Symons, and Willie and Alfred Garrett, and Ellen Mer-
rifield and little Johnnie were here to dinner. Indeed the
boys arrived last evening, that they might have the whole of
Michaelmas day at home.

[BarbaraCM]

Hi Tim,

Thanks for your welcome.  I haven't found Silas Edward's baptism yet.  My link is through his marriage entry which shows Thomas Marytn - Surgeon as his father, and St.Columb as birthplace on all census.  I was a little confused by Silas Edward's (b 1817) place in the Martyn family until yesterday when I found info that sorted me out. I would love the info you have.  Thank you, Tim. 

Barbara
Vancouver, BC