Bygone Dublin street

[shanew147]

working back in time Thomas Phillip is listed at the address from 1894 to 1863

in 1848 and 1850 the same dairy at no 26 is run by a James Phillips, and the street is written as 'Chambre Street'

The John O'Toole who took over the diary is listed on the 1911 census, and was born in county Wicklow - see : http://www.rootschat.com/links/06qu/

 

Shane

[Mo C]

Hi Shane,  Thank you for the further information.   I wonder if James Phillips could be my gt.gt.grandfather,  my mother had a brother called James, another clue to follow.  I had seen that spelling for Chambre St. before on a list of old Dublin streets. 
I always smile when I think of the info. on census returns, its only as good as the facts supplied.  On the 1901 census my gt. grandfather is married to a lady of 49years born in Co.Dublin.  10 years later my gt. grandmother is a 63 year old widow born in Kildare, no wonder genealogy is difficult.  Although I did read somewhere that a lot of people exaggerated their age in 1911 because the  retirement pension was being introduced.
Once more thanks for all your trouble.
Cheers, Maureen.

[shanew147]

no problem... one more piece of information for you from the Dublin City Census of 1851 :

   Mary Phillips   26   Chamber St.   
   Th. Phillips   27   Chamber St.   

(the census extract only shows heads of household, and address)

also listed at 26 is 
 
  Margt.   Power   

and at 27

  Ann   Bampton   
  Martin   Byrne   


Shane

[luas]

I'd like to find out more about my great-grandfather Thomas Griffin's occupation as a bootmaker, assuming that's what it says on the cert.  Did he work for somebody else, or would he ever have had premises of his own?  I find it odd that my father never referred to this at all, although he often spoke of his father's work at Jacob's.  Over here in England, there seem to be very detailed and useful trade directories for the late 19th century.  I assume the same must exist for Dublin, and I wonder if anyone has access to these?  Thomas Griffin lived at 40 Chamber Street in 1894, the year his son (my grandfather) was married.  He's gone from there by the 1911 Census, although his wife (or widow, presumably) is still there.

[Mo C]

Hi Shane,   Keep on like this and you will have my Irish family tree done for me(BG)  I think the family must have been playing musical houses at that time.
Once more thanks for everything.
Cheers, Maureen.

[shanew147]

I'd like to find out more about my great-grandfather Thomas Griffin's occupation as a bootmaker, .....lived at 40 Chamber Street in 1894, the year his son (my grandfather) was married.  He's gone from there by the 1911 Census, .....

In Thom's of 1894 number 27 to 40 are Tenements, so none of the occupants are listed. Sometimes small one man trades, like bootmakers, worked from their home.  I dont see any bootmaker businesses listed on Chamber st...

I'll have a look in a bit more detail for Thomas and let you know if I find anything..


Shane

[luas]

Thanks Shane.  Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Paul

[shanew147]

I couldn't find any details on Thomas in directories, so presumably he was employed rather than running his own business. Unfortunately this means he would not usually be included in the Trade listings.

the only Shoe/Boot entry with the surname Griffin that I found was (1894) :

  J. Griffin, 21 Capel Street - boot & shoe warehouse

I found a boot/shoe business very close to where Thomas lived where he could have been employed :

  Geo. Lang, 44 & 45 Cork St,  bootmaker

This was round the corner (100-200m) from where Thomas lived on Chamber St.



Shane

[luas]

Shane, many thanks for that information.  On the English side of the family, trades (painters and stonemasons) seem to pass down through several generations of the family.  It's odd that Thomas Griffin was a bootmaker and his three sons were all labourers, albeit in a good firm like Jacob's.  I saw "Who do you think you are?" earlier in the week, and Jacob's were featured.  I had no idea they were such a model employer, a bit like Guinness, with health care and dental provision, a swimming pool, dances, etc.  I note that they maintain records of employees a very long time ago.  If ever I'm over, I must see if anybody can have access to those, or are they just for high-profile television programmes.