Joseph Williams - help!

[RachelK]

Have recently got the marriage cert for my gx2 grandparents and am stuck on Joseph, can't seem to find him on census before 1901.

Sept 13th 1898 parish church Great Wollaston, Montgomeryshire

Joseph Edward Williams age 28 Bachelor Labourer (father Edward Williams - Labourer)

and

Mary Ellen Gennoe age 23 Spinster (father Henry Gennoe - Carrier)

residence for both - the forest

Witnesses William Oliver Gennoe and Elizabeth Jane Gennoe

Will post the details from 1901 in a second when I find them, any help would be great thankyou.

[silvery]

Mary Ellen was born Salford.  Where was Joseph Edward Williams born?

[RachelK]

Class: RG13; Piece: 2537; Folio: 12; Page: 15.

1 Williams' build Ditherington Shrewsbury

Joseph Ed Williams head (m) 30 railway painter - forden welshpool
Mary Ellen Williams wife (m) 26 manchester
Edward H A G Williams son 5 great wollaston, salop
Elsie M Jane Williams daug 1 shrewsbury
Harold C Baden Williams son 8m shrewbury

[RachelK]

Thankyou Silvery,

I have Mary Ellen, but it is Joseph that I am trying to get back on. Although understandably Williams is a difficult surname!

[silvery]

I can't find a Joseph Williams, father Edward.   

Nearest I can do,  1881 RG11/5492/78/22

White House, Forden       -    all born Berriew, which is about 7 miles from Forden, and about 5 miles from Welshpool. Forden to Welshpool is about 5 miles.  They all sit in a triangle.

Edward Williams 48, ag lab
Mary 50
Annie 21
Elizabeth 19
Martha 13
Edward 11
Fanny 6


If born in Welshpool/Forden  the registration district looks as though it would be Montgomery.  There is an Edward Williams born June 1870 Montgomery 11b 240.

There are no records Montgomery for a Joseph Williams.   It's going to be a bit tricky, I think.  Forden records were started Sept 1870, prior to that it's Montgomery.   Searching years used, 1870 to 1872.

[JJdownunder]

There is this one 

1881
RG11 5505 fol68 pg1
Garden House
Northop Flint Wales

Edward  Williams      H  M 52 Gardener Lixmn Flint Wales
Ann                       W M 52                 Wepre "     "
Annie                    D  U 18                      "
Maggie                  D     16                      "                   
Joseph                 S      11 scholar          "

JJ

[janeagles]

Hi,

I'm Jan Eagles (nee janet williams) youngest daughter of Fred (Alfred) Williams, who was the youngest son of Joseph and Polly (Mary Ellen) Williams. I think Rachel must be a great neice to my late dad. I have one photo of my grandparents together taken during the Second World War standing outside their home Ark Villa Arddleen.

[janeagles]

AND.. if it's any help my Dad said his father was the only boy with 6? sisters  and was from Forden or The Hope.

[RachelK]

I am hoping we might be onto something then. Here's the family in 1871:

White house, Forden.

Edward Williams h 35 Ag lab Berriew
Mary Williams w 46 Salop
Margaret d 14 Forden
Mary d 12 "
Anne d 10 Salop
Elizabeth 8 "
Sarah d 6 Forden
Emma d 4 "
Martha d 2 "
Edward s 11mths "

More than 6 sisters there, but still, all girls.