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Desperate for advice on how to continue (long!)
« on: Wednesday 11 June 08 22:38 BST (UK) »
Hi

I have been researching my paternal line of Stevenson and got back to William Stevenson and possibly / probably back another generation to John Stevenson. I got stuck and a little concerned for accuracy but approached a local Church in Bradfield, Essex to see if I could get clarification on some matters. I have not reproduced the letter below but have kept the salient points in order to convey what I am looking to achieve......

William Stevenson, according to the published Census Returns between 1841 and 1881, was born in Bradfield, Essex, around 1814/15. (I have since received his death certificate which puts him at 74 in 1887 which would mean a birth year of abt 1812 - but this doesnt really tie in to the census returns so i dont know which one is correct).He is my Great, Great, Great Grandfather. William, a bootmaker, or Cordwainer, moved to London at some time between his birth and his marriage in 1840, but I have reason to believe this did not take place until he was in adulthood. My first problem however, is that I do not seem to be able to locate his Baptism in Bradfield, having looked at the Parish Register at the Essex Records Office. This could be an oversight on my part and some entries are difficult to read.

I am also trying to validate the information I have as to the parents of William Stevenson. His marriage certificate (he was married in St Lawrence’s, Old Jewry, London in 1840), states that his Father was a John Stevenson, a boot maker. I have traced a John Stevenson to the 1841 census, a bootmaker, living in Bradfield, with his wife, Elizabeth. My assumption is that he is William’s father, given the similarity of occupation and that out of a population of under 900 in 1841, it is unlikely for there to have been another John Stevenson in Bradfield, of an age to have been William’s father. It is following this assumption that I must conclude that if William’s parents still reside in Bradfield in 1841, then William must have moved to London as an adult, possibly looking for work. It is at this point that to have details of William’s baptism would be of great value to me, especially in establishing his mother’s name and thereby proving or disproving that which at this stage is only an assumption.
However, if I am to put my faith in the assumed parentage of William, then this also throws up some interesting questions regarding John and Elizabeth Stevenson.

Primarily, this centres around the death and burial of John Stevenson. A kind member of rootschat located some information about a seemingly relevant burial in the National Burial Index database. The information was as follows;

John STEVENSON
Date of burial: 17 May 1846
Age at death: 67
Place of burial: Bradfield, Essex
Dedication: St Lawrence

In addition, I found a marriage entry in Boyds Marriage index which seems to relate to my John Stevenson, as follows;

1806 / STEVENSON  JN / BURGESS  ELZ / BRADFIELD/  ESSEX

Interestingly, I sent off for John Stevenson's death certificate which put his age at 77 but this must be an oversight as 67 would fit with the 1841 census whereas 77 doesn't.

Hoping to find a grave at St Lawrences Church, Bradfield, I paid the church a visit but was unable to locate anything tangible. I did however, locate a grave relating to the Burgess family, who, given the above marriage, may be related.

I then contacted the church for the same information I am seeking below but they do not have unmarked grave burial records going back that far or any baptismal records seperate to what is in the ERO. Basically they are unable to help so I suppose therefore, my questions are – how can i confirm that John Stevenson is buried within the grounds of St Lawrences and if so is there any way I can find a grave location. (It is the only conformist church in the village).  And can i look elsewhere for any records of the marriage of John Stevenson to Elizabeth Burgess in 1806?

Finally, I traced the birth of two other Stevensons to the Bradfield area and I think these are possibly other children of John and Elizabeth. One is a Peter Stevenson, born Bradfield, Essex around 1816, and the other a Mary Stevenson, born Bradfield, Essex around 1806. I know Mary’s mother to be Elizabeth Stevenson from the 1851 census return as she is living with Mary and her husband, John Cracknell, in Wix, Essex.

I have a death certificate for an Elizabeth Stevenson, which shows her as a widow of ........ Stevenson, Cordwainer. Died 9th Sept 1855. How can I locate her place of burial - I dont know if she was buried back in Bradfield with her husband or, given the transport available if she would be buried in Wix somewhere.

I feel that without some clarification regarding the matters mentioned above, it will be difficult for me to proceed much further as I fear that any findings as a result could be inaccurate. I would be grateful for any assistance or advice you can offer, which could enable me to move forward.



 



STEVENSON - Bradfield, Essex & Whitechapel / Shoreditch / Bermondsey
BURGESS - Bradfield, Essex
CRACKNELL - Wix, Essex
WALTON - Croydon, Surrey
MATTHEWS - Croydon, Surrey
LONGHURST - Croydon, Surrey

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Re: Desperate for advice on how to continue (long!)
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 12 June 08 07:49 BST (UK) »
For my own purposes I have done some transcripts of some Bradfield registers from the microfiche records available at Essex RO. They are unchecked.
They include these baptisms in D/P 173/1/4 fiche 1 of 1
1811 8 Sep William s John and Elizabeth Stevens*
1806 26 Oct Mary d John and Elizabeth Stevenson
1808 13 May John s John ans Elizabeth Stevenson

*whether this is an entirely different name or my error in transcription or an error in the original or a poor microfiche image is impossible to say. It should be checked out by another pair of eyes.

These baptisms were also seen:
1799 21 Apr Ann    )
1800 8 May Sarah  ) of Walter and Ann(e) Burgess
1806 18 Oct James )

I did nor see any Stevenson or Burgess baptisms in years 1738-1780 (D/P 173/1/1 fiche 1 and 2)

There were 2 burials which may be relevant:
1744 10 Sep William Burges
1719 17 Jun Susanna Burges

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Re: Desperate for advice on how to continue (long!)
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 12 June 08 10:11 BST (UK) »
Hi
First of all you need to look more closely at what you have.  Who are the witnesses at the marriage?   They are often relatives so can help to build up a family picture.    Age at death is unreliable so I should not worry too much about that.  Who reported the death?  Naming pattern of children?
Is it possible that they left wills?    Extended family members may have left them too so widen the search as much as possible.   The A2A site is a good source of early information.  Apprenticeship records may exist too.  A visit to the local record office may prove very useful as they should have a lot of sources that you may not have thought of.  House deeds etc.
Just a few thoughts!
Andrea

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Re: Desperate for advice on how to continue (long!)
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 12 June 08 10:23 BST (UK) »
the age at death was what the informant believed the deceased to be so could vary to what age the deceased actually was.

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Re: Desperate for advice on how to continue (long!)
« Reply #4 on: Friday 13 June 08 08:59 BST (UK) »
I too have John Stevenson in my tree(albeit very distantly).
I have found Burgesses in Great Oakley and Wix so that could be a line to follow as the villages are so close to each other.
I go down the line from their daughter Mary Stevenson via the Cracknell Family and the Faint family from Wix.
There is also a Burgess family in Kirby le Soken who could be connected ,they were Wheelwrights and quite successful too.
I am going to the local library at the weekend and will have a look in the Local History section as there are a couple of books there that are related to Wix and Bradfield .If I find anything ,I'll get back to you.
Regards
Lin
Pratt ,Burgess,Gladwell  ,Taylor, Forrester ,Layzell ,Watling ,Merryfield Raven Essex
Field ,Warren.Davis, Spickett ,Peppiatt ,Bucks
White born Dorset moved to Hampshire,Shropshire and finally to Essex
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Re: Desperate for advice on how to continue (long!)
« Reply #5 on: Friday 13 June 08 10:12 BST (UK) »
Wow, this is great! - funnily enough I just started to do some work on Mary and her husband John Cracknell as I was interested to find Elizabeth Stevenson (John's wife) residing with them in 1851 after the death of her husband. I was trying to get a definitive number of brothers and sisters for Mary, of course there is William and also mentioned earlier on in this thread is a possibility of a John, but I wondered if the Peter I found residing in Colchester was another. I still dont have answers on this but did trace the Cracknell line further and was interested to see that some were mariners. I would be grateful for any info on the Stevensons or the Cracknells - I am on ancestry.co.uk and there are one or two tree matches I have found - possibly you are one of them?
STEVENSON - Bradfield, Essex & Whitechapel / Shoreditch / Bermondsey
BURGESS - Bradfield, Essex
CRACKNELL - Wix, Essex
WALTON - Croydon, Surrey
MATTHEWS - Croydon, Surrey
LONGHURST - Croydon, Surrey

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Re: Desperate for advice on how to continue (long!)
« Reply #6 on: Friday 13 June 08 10:59 BST (UK) »
Hmmm ,I can't remember putting them there .But after so many people I expect they could be .
Anyhow ,I will send you a pm as it's all very confusing.
Lin
Just been to ancestry and checked ,I haven't put them there ,so there are others out there looking.
Pratt ,Burgess,Gladwell  ,Taylor, Forrester ,Layzell ,Watling ,Merryfield Raven Essex
Field ,Warren.Davis, Spickett ,Peppiatt ,Bucks
White born Dorset moved to Hampshire,Shropshire and finally to Essex
Katherine Murphy b1872 
Buggs ,Day ,Stygal,Balls ,Suffolk ,Norfolk ,Hertfordshire
Venables ,Hertfordshire