*COMPLETED* Census lookup 1841/1851 Aberayron

[magdalena67]

Cannot find a death for Alban...but here is his mother

Deaths Jun 1858  Wigley  Elizabeth Margaret     Aberayron  11b 43

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Hi there,

I thought you might be interested to know that Alban Beaufoy Hughes WIGLEY migrated to Australia married there. He was my gr-great grandfather! I don't have all my records with me as they are in storage in Australia, and I moved to the UK 7 months ago! If you are interested in knowing more about him and his genealogical line, I can ask my parents to look up my records and forward them to me! I am on the brink of asking them to do so anyway - so let me know if anyone wants further info! :-)

[MC]

Hello Magdalena67

I found your Alban in Vic - and he certainly had that double barrell sort of name that my husbands family had. There was even an Elizabeth Hughes Clunne in our lot.

The problem with Albans father George, was that he was born much earlier than I would have expected, as Cordelia Pryce Clunne only married in 1804...unless she was 2nd wife to George's father?? 

I just can't justify yet, saying that we belong with them. I would appreciate if you could ask you mother if she is aware of our name and get back to me if that is all right with you.

MC

[magdalena67]

By my estimate she would have been 20 when he was born, and I put George's marrying later in life down to his military career. It wasn't unusual, expecially as he was 'career military' and a lieutenent by the time of this census. But I completely agree with you regarding double checking. I am a stickler for working out the connections to my satisfaction and I haven't conclusively ruled Cordelia in myself!

I will ask my mother to forward the recrords I have in Australia, unfortunately, though, we no longer have a connection with this family. My granfather's mother died 3 weeks after he was born, and as his father remarried he knew nothing of her family (Annie WIGLEY). I did track down his cousin and visited her about 15 years ago but she has passed away now. One interesting thing she did mention, though, was that her father said, "Alban used to get into trouble for speaking French when he was a child". I wondered if there was a connection they were trying to 'stamp out'... ? I love this puzzle, don't you?

[MC]

Hi Magdalena

I am so sorry for taking this long to respond. I took on a project for my sister and bit off more than I could chew. I had no time for anything else.

Regards your George Wigley. Was he the: Wigley, George James Esq: Pier St. and the same "clerk to the magistrates,  the Aberayron Union, Pier St, Nobility Gentry & clergy? I had that scribbled down in my notes, I am not sure where I dug that up from. My brain is still glug from all the work I have been doing so I hope it will come to me later.

There is a clue somewhere within Alban's name. Either he was so christened because the names "Alban & Beaufoy" were given to him in honor of past early Lords or Military men of Wales, ie someone called "? de Beaufoy" or "Alban de ?"  Could Beaufoy be a place name? Or else it was the surname of his mother, or a grandmother? Could she be a Cordelia Beaufoy?

The French theme comes up with the Clunne's as well, with a great uncle George telling my mother-in-law that they had come from France, and even had a Castle there...    This uncle has made contact with the family during the first War, and he was in France as well - he returned to Australia with Jewellery the family gave  him. He was a Printer/Journalist. Trouble is he died without anyone asking where the family were...we were just not interested back then. We are a lay back lot aren't we?

 :-\I found the remains of the Cluny Monastery near Macon, founder in 910, then demolished during the French Revolution c1790. (repaired later to a less than former glory) There were 1500 such monasteries around the World - most places where such Churches had stood, were most likely still called Cluny even after the Reformation.

Your George would have been born into a world of War, as the French/Napoleonic Wars commenced c1792 and went to 1815, so perhaps he was drawn into the War at a young age...maybe he was not fond of hearing his little son speak in French for that reason alone. And the world got worse after the Wars stopped, because the place went into dreadful depression.

I am checking out a family of Pryse Clunne's around Montgomery (Llanidloes) etc. as well, as I am thinking they might have had something to do with the same names who turned up in London.

Keep in touch and let me know what transpires and I will let you know if I find any sort of connection to yours
MC

[MC]

Hi all, belated Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone - This might interest you Magdalena67 as George and Alban belong to you.

I could cry for letting this go past me - it might have made a big difference to begin with...but anyway, here it is...further info on George Wigley and his background, that I already had in my possession but overlooked it.

I was trawling through some of my papers on the Wigleys of Aberayron and noticed that when John Wigley married Cordelia Pryce Clunne in 1804, he was listed with a W - and she was listed with an S - (obviously Widower and Spinster)

This more than ever convinces me that Cordelia of Aberayron was the correct one I was searching for. Given that she died in 1852, I don't expect that her death certificate would give much info about who her parents were, would it? Does anyone know?

George the son, listed in 1851 Census as being 58, and born Cumberland (where exactly is Cumberland?) was probably a son from John Wigleys first marriage. He would have been about 10 when his father re-married, or there abouts I would think.

Let me know what you think.
MC

[Tulip11]

Hi MC

I am absolutely delighted to have discovered your message about the Pryce Clunnes, and hope that you're still interested in continuing with this research.

I have Cordelia (nee Pryce Clunne) Wigley's death certificate as well as information regarding her children and her marriage to John Wigley in 1804.  I also have some info on George Wigley. 

Are you able to advise why Cordelia and John went to Aberayron in Wales?  Do you know what John Wigley's occupation was?  I would be very grateful of any help, as I have not been able to make this breakthrough in ten years of research!!

All help gratefully received!!

[MC]

Hi Tulip

I have just pulled up your message. I only came in to turn off the computer as it is very late here (2am) and we had family over and my grandson was using it. I decided to check my emails and presto!

Yes indeed I am still researching this line. Are you related to the Wigley's Tulip? (given you have been searching for 10 years I suspect you are)

I would be very interested to know if you were aware of Cordelia's maiden surname prior to you getting their marriage certificate? Or...is the marriage certificate your only record of it?

I do have material on the Wigley line and am willing to exchange info. I will pull up the file tomorrow and go through it all again as I have not been working on it of late.

My main aim is to find out the name of Cordelia's parents and her correct place of birth. I was told her death would not give these details...is that correct?

I also have been fossicking in Wales records and found some things of interest.

Perhaps it might be better to convey the material to each other personally...what do you think?

MC