Wyllie Birth Cert

[Hanan]

Can anyone help me with a problem I'm having?

I am having great trouble finding a birth certificate for David Donaldson Wyllie b Abt. 1882(?).  His mother was Jeanie Wyllie - father unknown.

I've found plenty of David Wyllie births but none are the right person.

(I can't find his mothers birth either.)

[AMBLY]

Hi Hanan

Amy idea what part of Scotland?

I can see 2 David Donaldson WYLLIE's in the 1891 Census, father (b 1860 Bothwell Lanark), and son (b 1890 Bothwell) - but your chap falls in the middle of these two in birth years....

Cheers
AMBLY

[Hanan]

Hi Ambly,

Not entirely sure where he was born.  I think it could be Glasgow (but it could also be Auchinleck). 

I have his 1891 Census for Dumfries, his mother's has remarried by then and is a "Roberts" - David is at home.

I also have his 1901 census.  They are now living in Cumnock.  Both list David as being born in Glasgow.

Hanan

[hume]

Just so you don't waste credits on viewing this one. There's two David Donaldson WYLIEs born 1882 on SP. One Bridgeton (Glasgow) and the other Bothwell.

However, I think they're both the same person. The Glasgow entry gives parents as John WYLIE and Jane M.S. WHITELAW. Since the father was resident in Bothwell (as per birth cert.), I suspect they registered it there too.

There's others born in Scotland with the same name but none around the same time.

hume24

[Hanan]

Hi Hume24,

I have that certificate.  I also checked out John & Jane Whitelaw's Marriage.  Doesn't seem to be our David.  This is a tricky one I know...

Jeanie wasn't married at the time of David's birth.  According to her marriage certs her parents were John Wyllie & Jane Allan.

I have Jeanie getting married twice during her lifetime first to William Roberts (not sure when) then James Smith (Aug 1908).  David remained Wyllie until his death.  One

[hume]

Have you checked for David Donaldson births? It's likely he was named after his father (as was done at the time), and he (his father) was there when registering the birth. Just a thought.

Also, can you post the census entries for David just in case it helps?

hume24

[Hanan]

No I haven't tried searching for David Donaldson - good idea, perhaps this is the answer.  Here is what I have on David;

1891 Census - 13 Friars Venal

William Roberts   Head  32    Born England (Hawker)
Jeanie Roberts    Wife   26    Born Glasgow
David Roberts     Son    5      Born Glasgow (Scholar)
William Roberts   Son    2      Born Annan

1901 Census - Elbow Lane, Old Cumnock

William Roberts   Head   47      Born England (Masons Labourer)
Jeanie Roberts    Wife    34      Born Glasgow
David Roberts      Son    17      Born Glasgow (Mines Labourer)
Mary Roberts       Dau    10      Born Dumfries
George Roberts   Son      8      Born Dumfries
Henry Roberts     Son      5      Born Dumfries
Jacquie Roberts   Dau      3      Born Dumfries

Marriage
David Donaldson Wyllie & Mary Campbell, 7th Nov 1902, Old Cumnock. 
Parents listed as Jeanie Wyllie (now married to William Roberts, Masons Labourer)

Death
David Donaldson Wyllie, Stone Miner (Married to Mary Campbell), 1st Oct 1946, Bute Hosp Cumnock, Parents Jeanie Wyllie Domestic Servant afterwards married to 1st William Roberts Masons Labourer, 2nd James Smith Coal Miner (deceased)

[Hanan]

I've had a look for David Donaldson, no luck.  I can't find any with a mother Jeanie Wyllie.

Not even a Janet, Jane, Jessie, Wylie or other spelling combination.

I am starting to wonder if he was born outside Scotland.  The obvious possibility would be England.  Does anyone have access to English births and could have a quick check for me?

Thanks

[trish251]

Freebdm for English BDM records is virtually complete for this time period. There are 3 David Wylies (nothing spelt Wyllie)


June 1882 lanchester - Co Durham
March 1885 whitehaven - Cumbria/Cumberland border
March 1886 Cockermouth (David Wylie Wylie?) Cumbria/Cumberland border

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Trish