Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William

[doverrog]

There were 2 Roberts baptised at Walmer. Robert s/o John & Anne (1751) and Robert s/o Wililam & Mary (1746).
Regards

AJ

Hello. Did you mean Richard bap 14th Sep1746 son of William and Mary? or another Robert?
Confusing isn't it.
I've just seen redtoyt most recent post and am working through the info.

[AJ100]

No, there were 2 Roberts. My mistake in the last post. Richard 1746  should read Robert. Getting towards the end of the day and almost past my bedtiome. Apologies.

AJ

[doverrog]

Thanks. Got it now. I'm going round in circles at the moment with the latest from redtonyt
It looks as though I've got some of my records mixed up with all the Williams.
I'm going to work through again from the more recent dates.
The crucial one I'm still trying to find the parents of, though is the William who married Margaret Tregenoe in 1698. Assuming he was in his twenties, I'm looking first at any William Matson born around 1678 ish in Deal, but all the ones I have around that date seem to be in the Hougham parish and not Deal.

[redtonyt]

As the marriage of William Tregenoe was by Licence, the Allegation and Bond could have his age therein, even though Cowper does not have it.  These two documents should be held at Canterbury Cathedral Archives, unfortunately tomorrow is the last day before closing, for the Holidays. 

Re-opening is on Jan 13. 

Tony

[doverrog]

Thanks Tony.
I've spent many hours at Canterbury and looking through my lists, it seems that this licence is one I've missed. Always the way.
I'm going to post an enquiry on the Kent look-up requests just in case anyone has copy of the marriage lice detail.
In the meantime it's back to trying to get my Williams etc in some sort of order

[AJ100]

The first Matson to be baptised in Deal was a William in 1699 to William & Mary. The others were 2 Margarets, 1701 & 1705 to William & Margaret. No more baptisms then until 1734/5/8 when Mary, Robert & John were respectively baptised to Robert & Matilda.
Walmer didn't have any Matsons baptised until 1746.

AJ

[redtonyt]

I have still not found the actual marriage of James Matson to Susannah.

However, Cowper has this description of a Marriage Licence,

James Matson of Hougham, Yeom., ba., 25 and Susan Lushington of Alkham, spr., 20, whose parents are dead at Alkham, Capel-le-Ferne or Hawkinge May 14 1688.

I have access to a transcription of Alkham PRs and it is not to be found there!

Another piece in the jigsaw! 

Tony 

[doverrog]

Well done Tony
This is what I have on the Lushington family-
Source: Archdeaconry Court of Canterbury Vol 70 f.617, Probate 25 Aug 1638
John Lushington of Stellinge, yeoman, will dated 14 Aug 1638
To be buried at Elmsted
John Taylor the elder, Minister
Daughter Mary wife of George Pilcher
Grandchild Ann Pilcher
Daughter Ann Lushington
Sisters Mary Kember and Elizabeth Goulder
Wife Ann
Sons Henry and John

For Henry I have two children Thomas born abt 1653 and Susanna bat 1668.
Thomas Lushington married Susan Matson 12th Jan 1678 at St. Lawrence, Hougham and they had a daughter Susanna who probably married David Heath 30th July 1689 at St.Lawrence.
I'm going with Susanna/Susan Lushington marries James Matson 1688 as per your latest news.

Can you tell me more about 'Cowper' please as I have yet another name I can't find.
William Matson chr 25th October 1612 at Sheperdswell married ??Knott. Daughter of William Knott of Coldred, Blacksmith with land at Eythorne. William died 1659. William and had 9 children but I don't know the first name of William's wife.

Any possibility you may have something?

[redtonyt]

Joseph Meadows Cowper was the Vicar of St Dunstan, Canterbury.  I am not sure of date of his  living in that Parish but, some in the latter part of the 19th Century.  He published various books privately, including one on the Marriage Licences issued at Canterbury, by subscription.  The particular one I use is those Licences up to 1750.  There is another in the Archives at the Cathedral, post 1750, the version I have seen is in chronological order.  He also published one, transcribing the Parish Registers of St Dunstan, which is of particular interest to me.  Again this is held at the Archives.  There may well be others but they are the ones that I know of.

Unfortunately there is no mention of a marriage of William Matson between 1619 and 1660.  The only male Matson is Robert to Dorothy Tailer in 1635; he is the first Matson in the book. 

Tony