HELP plzzz.. 1861 census

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  Greetings heywood,
  Dan Lister's 3 xgs granddaughter emigrated to Oz in the 1970s.
  I haven't found any sign of John and Elizabeth at all.
  This is one lot I cant drop at the mo...I so HAVE to know   !!!

  Ta muchly for your help

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[heywood]

Oh bother!! She would hardly be sponsored by John and Elizabeth then 
BUT they must have gone somewhere. I have tried USA immigration through the Castle Garden site but not there.
Are there any Australian immigration  sites?

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   Ahhhhh back again, have been away, doing LIVE rellie hunting.
   I haven't had much luck in the Oz lists as yet. Cora Num has a
   few sites.
         http://www.coraweb.com.au
   
    Now hows this little titbit I found waiting for me. A FRANK
    KELLY was a witness to the marr of a son of Dan !!!!! in 1910.
    I will try not to be too excited at this stage. However I am
    now off to Ancestry.com 
   
    Ta muchly for your help
    Cheers
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  Greetings heywood,
  Just an update.. tracked Frank Kelly to 1871 son of William!!!
  BUT a widower has  3 other sons James born abt 1861,George born abt 1864 and Frank born abt 1868. The head of the household is Sarah Mellard born 1783 . and is a widow. Interesting thing is..has William as Hus....and a widower. Think this is his mother.
Found the possible Kellys in 1861 Brampton Bierlow index as KELLEY. Sarah Kelley born 1790 Houghton Head and William Kelley son  and wife Sarah Kelley born 1825 Mansfield Notts!!! Can you believe that!! No wonder she couldn't be found Yorks of Lancashire.
Of course as usual nothing is simple.. there are TWO Frank Kellys born 1867 and in the same area.Fortunately one Frank Kelly is with his parents (William and Hannah) in 1891 census and other Frank Kelly is with Daniel Lister in 1891 and 1901 
Found the death of a Sarah Kelly Jun qtr 1870  age 47
So pieces SEEM to be coming together.
I thought I would obtained George Kelly's b/cert( only one fits) rather than  ordering the wrong Frank.
 Sooooo  do you think I am on the right track?

Ta muchly
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[heywood]

My goodness - lots of information here - at first I wondered where the Kellys had come from then remembered that marriage 

I have gone through censuses as you state and of course at the moment it is still circumspect but it would be good to get George's birth certificate as you say.

At first I thought that Sarah Mellard may be the mother of Sarah but then as you say she appears as Sarah Kelly- I think the age is out at times.

I have just found a Sarah Stones with father Thomas at:
1841 HO107; Piece 859; Book: 5; Folio: 11; Page: 14
living Mansfield aged 13 yrs so ... possibility 

However I can't find her in 1851 and there is at least one marriage for a Sarah Stones Mansfield.

It could all be just coincidence and Dan Lister and Frank Kelly may be just plain friends- that certificate may be the answer!

regards
heywood

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Dear heywood

   Well am one happy camper here !!!! The birth cert for George gives his mother as Sarah Kelly formerly STONES!!!!!
So Frank n Daniel are half brothers.
I think that find in 1841 census is "the" Sarah as when she marr William Kelly her father was Thomas.
No idea whatsoever where she is in 1851, would be great to find her there, icing on the cake yes?
Please let me know if you have other views to mine, have to have it correct aye.
Ta muchly for all your help.

Regards
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[heywood]

Well done 

That is super news - I still can't spot her in 1851 but the main thing is that you have such precise information.

regards
heywood

[marsha11]

Some info on Sarah Kelly, hope it's useful:
Widow Sarah married widower Samuel Mellard on 8/12/1828. The 1841 census shows them living at West Melton.  Although all the children are name Mellard, I suspect  Alford and William are Sarah's children and John is Samuel's.

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    well ta for that snippet.. have just been having a look
    at the Mellard name and wondering how it ties in

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