HELP plzzz.. 1861 census

[Annie Eliza]

   Now here is something interesting... how on earth did my name change to Annie Eliza in this thread?

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   Testing.......have I returned

[heywood]

yes your back to 'normal'  

[heywood]

funds allowing you could try William Henry's birth certificate to compare or even John and Elizabeth's certificate to see if he is a widower or not.

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    Ta for calling me 'normal' the  really says it all however
    Good thought about those two certs. Will have to check my pennies
    Thanks again for your help, youre a good egg

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[heywood]

Hi eds,
well I went to the Local History centre in Ashton and didn't find out much.
However, John did declare himself a bachelor on his mariage to Elizabeth Williamson.

Baptisms are as in IGI - Both Dan and William Henry - parents John and Sarah Lister - John is a miner.

Marriage:
24th June 1855
John Lister full age bachelor a miner father William Lister
Elizabeth Williamson full age spinster father James Williamson sea captain
both living in Ashton.
Witnesses: Thomas Newton (is witness at lots of marriages) and John Baylan ? - writing fades to a squiggle.
(I do wonder re the sea captain - can't find anything relevant in census).

Bearing in mind William Henry was born November; baptised December 1854 and John married Elizabeth in June 1855, I couldn't find any relevant funerals for William H or Sarah.

There is a marriage for a Sarah Stones to WIlliam Kelly (on IGI) 1859 but can't find any references in census.
William Kelly bachelor miner father John Kelly weaver
Sarah Stones spinster father Thomas Stones mason
witnesses were the Newtons -who seem to have a monopoly on witnessing.

By the way- both John Lister and Elizabeth signed their names.

Finally- Dan Stones is a visitor in 1861 so he must have been living somewhere 
I have checked for William Henry as William/ Lister/Stones/Kelly - nothing and also for Sarah.

that's it 

[Doodle]

Hiya

The only John in Barnsley main cemetery is
John Lister plot Q 823 uncon 27/9/1868 aged 39 of John St Barnsley
 
There are no Sarah Lister's at all would you like me to check any other surnames for her ?

My cousin is going to look up some of her 'Peaces' in Wombwell burials on Monday so Ive asked her to look out for Lister's and make a note for you !

There is a William Lister in M 157 con 12/6/1899 aged 67 died Armley Leeds (oh dear was the prison open then )

For now
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[Annie Eliza]

  Greetings heywood,
  Thank you, thank you very much indeed for doing that research for me. This lot is turning into quite a challenge.
Maybe I better get that death cert for Sarah Lister..would that have the name of her husband ?

 Ta muchly again, you're a true gem indeed
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[heywood]

I'm not that sure it is her really but that's just me!

Their youngest child was born November 1854 and baptised December 1854 at St Michael's Ashton and then John was married 6 months later in June 1855 at the same church.

Meanwhile Sarah Lister dies 1855 in Barnsley unfortunately no age is shown so it could be her and only the certificate would say. It would give her age and the name of the person reporting the death.

1851 has lots of Sarah Listers in Yorkshire and some of them in Barnlsey registration district I suppose.

I don't think we have John in 1851 census have we? His brother Daniel is living in Dukinfield in 1851 (part of Ashton now) and so I suspect that it why John ends up in Ashton.  Can't spot an obvious John in 1851 - he is quite mature by then and could be married but he does declare himself a bachelor later. 

The civil birth certificates and John's marriage certificate to Elizabeth would give addresses but who knows whether they will be of use.

Geographically, Wombwell is 4 miles (or so) from Worsbrough where Daniel and Johnand Elizabeth are to be found but Worsbrough is about 15 miles from Flockton. (Thinking aloud here -so John didn't go back home).

I can find no trace of John, Elizabeth and family after 1861 - what a puzzle