HELP plzzz.. 1861 census

[heywood]

I think Eds is in Australia Barbara so perhaps he's asleep 

Just for information- may be for the future Eds Daniel snr and John seem to be here in 1841 - Flockton with parents and family.

1841 HO107; Piece 1270; Book: 5;  Folio: 30; Page: 28

As Barbara says- a couple of certificates perhaps to sort out John.

best wishes
heywood

[Ecneps]

I think the 1861 John that you found Barbara was born Flockton not Hockton

Yes... well... I didn't look it up and couldn't read it so went with the transcript 
 

Could be the right family then, with father William, sons Daniel &  John who married Sarah, had Daniel, then Sarah died and John married Elizabeth??
Or maybe not, just suggesting

Barbara 

[heywood]

I went along with you for Hockton until something happened- goodness knows what now- you know what it's like when we're in pursuit 

[Eds]

 WOW!!!!!!!! Ta muchly Barbara and heywood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 This is exciting tidbits you have discovered for me. I am a tad
 annoyed with myself I didn't find them in 1841..I did all sorts of
 name tricks... sigh....Yes, heywood I am in Oz and as soon as I
 opened my eyes I checked my mail 
  Now... here is another interesting bit. Have the birth cert for
  Dan Lister (Lester actually) parents John Lester and Sarah
  Lester formally Sarah STONES !!!!! 19 Aug 1852 Ashton under
  Lyne.
  Soooooooo what are your thoughts about the Dan Stones in the
  1861 census being a visitor. Did Elizabeth not like a step son? Am
  thinking perhaps William Henry and Sarah died at the same time.
  I will chase up that thought.
  Loved your info about Jules n Betty   
  Thank you very much indeed for your help

   Eds

[Ecneps]

Well, Eds, did you just find that birth cert or ..... it would have helped!

So Sarah Stones and John Lester had Daniel before they were married so that is obviously the right family I found in 1861.

Quite often a second wife didn't go down too well with earlier children and they perhaps went to live with grandparents

Incidentally I found another family all surnamed Sister (Lister really) and it looked  most peculiar, Sister John  etc...


So now need to find the marriage,  & Sarah & perhaps William Henry's death

Barbara 

[heywood]

As Barbara has already said - all information known is best then it saves a lot of time 
I must say I had thought of the scenario that Elizabeth wasn't too keen on having Daniel named Lister/Lester - perhaps she gave the info to the enumerator and it was in a fit of pique because Daniel was officially Lester by birth. Or maybe she could have said Daniel Stones Lister and the enumerator only wrote that- who knows?
At least thanks to Barbara's eagle eye you have them now.
Do you know what happened to John and Elizabeth- I don't think we have them after 1871- that's without checking back sorry. 

[Annie Eliza]

 Greetings Barbara and heywood,
 Firstly I apologize profusely for not posting the details of Dan's birth cert. My brain doesn't always kick in as often as it should.
Shall be ordering the death cert for Sarah Lister in Barnsley, this should be of value one way or another.
A question for you... what are the chances of mother Sarah telling a fib when she registered Dan, saying she was Lester and that she was Stones before Lester? Be darned if I can find their marr.Once again ta muchly for your invaluable help !!!!!!
Eds

[heywood]

Morning 
may be they never married but registered him with both names.
Does the certificate say Lester formerly Stones or just Stones?

[Annie Eliza]

   Ahhhhh see, this is the tricky part.. the cert says......
Sarah Lester formerly Stones....my brain says they must have been married... but who knows aye what?