HELP plzzz.. 1861 census

[heywood]

Personally, I don't think they were married but ...

He says he is a bachelor on marriage to Elizabeth- in the church register anyway - I assume that the same info would be on civil record? Perhaps it may be worth investing in that for his address to compare with the children's birth certificates.

It does seem likely that the events took place around Ashton- unless Sarah came from Yorkshire with him and returned there to die (sounds dramatic and very sad) because he is back marrying Elizabeth within months.

But - it's your money and to solve an issue you could try - nothing ventured etc. 

sigh and sigh again Eds 
so irritating aren't they!
heywood

[Eds]

 Ta for your thoughts heywood.Been thinking that there must have been a reason for Daniel Lister to have given his birth place as Barnsley in the 1871 census. Daddy Lister may have flitted about.
I am almost ready to give my eye teeth to solve this lot.

Thanks again
Eds

[heywood]

you're not alone!

Am off out now but will be back 

[Eds]

 You know maybe our mistake ( well mine anyway) is looking for John Lister or what ever. Maybe "John" has been badly transcribed..

 One never knows aye what
  sigh..........................

[heywood]

May be it's going to be one of those unsolved mysteries 

As I said earlier the first 2 children and marriage in Ashton are all close togther.
Williamson  is born in Ashton 1st quarter 1856.
Mary is born in Barnsley (Worsbrough) 1858 (I think).

As John is a miner, I suppose they moved for that reason - I am assuming that Elizabeth is from around Ashton    but really we have no idea.

I am more intrigued as to what happened to John, Elizabeth, Williamson, Grace etc after 1861? Surely they must have emigrated?

[Doodle]

Hiya Eds
Wombwell Buriels for you to browze
March 1906 to Jan 1926
Winifred Lister 26 days died 25 July 1919 burial 28 July 1919 Station Villa plot con 709
1893-1900 Bk 4
Daniel Lister 1month 5 Aug 1893 8 Aug 1893 Lundhill plot 4249
Abraham Lister 10 months 28 July 1895 30 July 1895 Lundhill Top plot 4241
1881-1906 these books are really confusing but this is how I got it so if there is a duplicate its because there in two different books ??
Frank Lister uncon 4241 25 aug 1886 11 mths 27 aug 1886 Lundhill
Elizabeth Lister uncon 874 sept 8 1892 burial same day age 64 then in a sub heading it says still born sept 8 Schofield Wombwell main.
Abraham and Daniel are duplicated exactly the same except daniel in 4241 could be my mistake so I will double check when I go back and do the other two books that are left
1880-1887
Fred Lister 9 months Lundhill 16 june 1885 un con 4142 19 june 1885 oh and ceromony performed by James Lister
Frank Lister 1886 11 months Lundhill 4241 25 aug 1886 27 aug 1886
Hope these are of some help and tie in with your family probably get back to this on Friday morning to get the other two books out of the way..

Doodle

[heywood]

Hi Eds and Doodle,
just to let you know that searching Lister, b Flockton brought a Frederick Lister up in Worsbrough and an older Frederick in Dukinfield - where the older Daniel was.
I did try to establish a connection- unsuccessfully - think i lost the will part way through 
As I said before, for John and Elizabeth AND children to disappear- they must have emigrated surely- or had their own little tragic epidemic.

[Eds]

   Greetings Doodle n heywood ta muchly for the info !!! 
   
   heywood.. I checked out Hugh Wallis site and found a number of children for William n Mary Lister. Found Fredric BPed 15 Feb 1818 Flockton and Daniel and a heap of others.. 11 to be exact.
I also found another son for John n Elizabeth  John James Bped 21 Dec 1862 Worsbrough.. interesting aye.
If Elizabeth was really born in Italy..wondering if they decided to migrate there? Haven't had much luck for that line of thinking however.

Thanks again both of you

Eds

[heywood]

Hi Eds,
John James Lister birth registration June 1862 Pontefract.

Without rechecking, there was a Frederick in Dukinfield - similar age to John and Daniel snr - so it does seem as though there was a mini migration to the Ashton area.
I think I got a bit confused following the younger Frederick but I suppo he could be a son of one of the many siblings of John.

I'm unsure re the truth of sea captain/ Italy but on the other hand it would make sense for her birth in Italy.

Did the descendants of Daniel or he himself emigrate to Australia - I wondered if John and Elizabeth and family emigrated.

We'll keep thinking