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Re: HONEY - Stratford, West Ham, Essex
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 17 June 08 11:33 BST (UK) »
Kim

I'm curious.....the Watermans Arms, where did you get the info that it was in Woolwich? as seeing that John is in Stratford and just down the Road is the Isle of Dogs with a Watermans Arms which is still there today and Grade two listed (how old is it?) and I don't see the Watermans Arms in Woolwich in 1841.......I just wondered if possibly  :-\

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Fletcher (Glouc into Warwickshie into Lancs?), BUCKLEY (Chatham area), Watson (Chatham area).


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Re: HONEY - Stratford, West Ham, Essex
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 17 June 08 15:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Bryant,

you are very kind!

John HONEY snr is listed at the Waterman's Arms, Bell Watergate/ High St., Woolwich several times in the Greenwich archives. In various directories but definitely in Pigots 1832-34 - I think later but disappears abt 1839. They both died in Jan 1837 -

The building is definitely not standing at Bell Watergate although on the corner there is a pub. The Leisure centre and car park are there.

John HONEY snr is invariably listed as living at High St., Woolwich. Son Richard died at Bell Watergate, so I thought it might be possible that the two buildings connected.... Just looked at an old map I have a photo of and although it's later the pub on the corner is the Crown & Cushion and there is The Bell PH at the other end of the street very close to the water .... I will need to see if I can find another map which is earlier ....

I had found that Waterman's Arm's North Woolwich / Isle of Dogs but not sure .... However John HONEY jnr had a pub wherever he went. In Adelaide, Daylesford Victoria, and then in New Zealand where they eventually lived....

i think I saw a pic of the Waterman's Arms Isle of Dogs - it looked v charming and I don't think it's the one- darn!

It is one of my last branches and one of my most interesting - after some 30 years of genie research - he is still keeping me on my toes...   :)

i have seen the surname listing - thanks - will get on to it ....

Keep in mind that not everyone was tried at the Old Bailey - although it's a fabulous site. I'd be more worried abt ancestors who arrived in NSW or TAS.... then I'd start looking  ;D for sth interesting.... Found a ?X great grandmother who was Welsh being tried in ? I think it was Lincolnshire for attacking a man ?? He was 6'2 and she was 4'10  - Family history says she was a nice and gentle granny; a god fearing old lady - great shock to many  :)

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Kim



Kim

I'm curious.....the Watermans Arms, where did you get the info that it was in Woolwich? as seeing that John is in Stratford and just down the Road is the Isle of Dogs with a Watermans Arms which is still there today and Grade two listed (how old is it?) and I don't see the Watermans Arms in Woolwich in 1841.......I just wondered if possibly  :-\

Bryant

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Re: HONEY - Stratford, West Ham, Essex
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 17 June 08 18:24 BST (UK) »
Excuse me butting in but I wonder if the fact that the Woolwich Ferry operates from Woolwich (on the south side of the Thames) to North Woolwich (on the north side of the Thames) has potential for people to have been misled - either at census times, compilation of directories or latterly*.
You are right about the Waterman's Arms in Isle of Dogs - it is a treasure. Maybe it is the one that Kim wants :D

*One website puts it in Greenwich

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Re: HONEY - Stratford, West Ham, Essex
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 17 June 08 20:56 BST (UK) »
Kim

Here is a website which is loosely relevant to the lookup.....but I thought you might like it to drop back in time and read articles and see pictures of the day

http://www.londonancestor.com/

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Fletcher (Glouc into Warwickshie into Lancs?), BUCKLEY (Chatham area), Watson (Chatham area).


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Re: HONEY - Stratford, West Ham, Essex
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 18 June 08 15:07 BST (UK) »
Dear Clincher,

You are quite right - not easy to find everything around that area. However there seems to have been a Waterman's Arms at Bell, Watergate. I think there were many Waterman's Arms near water.... Popular name?

I need to go over my notes as it is a while since I did this research but fairly sure I am in the right place.

Bryant thanks for the link. very interesting.

Cheers
Kim

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Re: HONEY - Stratford, West Ham, Essex
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 08 August 09 11:17 BST (UK) »
Hi Kim

I'm a descendant of John & Caroline Honey. Would love to make contact.

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Fiona

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Re: HONEY - Stratford, West Ham, Essex
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 20 August 09 11:22 BST (UK) »
Hi Fiona,

Great to hear from you! Have sent my email to your messages in your account.

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Kim