HONEY - Stratford, West Ham, Essex

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Can someone help me with West Ham Parish lookups?

John HONEY & Caroline Mcleod married 1827 Old Charlton, Kent. John Honey was a Shoemaker, lived Stratford, High St. 1839 Pigot's (memory)

John & Caroline had several children -

Thomas, b ca 1835
Harriet, b ca 1836
Jane Hannah, b ca 1837, d 1839 Stratford (GROS CERT)
Eliza (Adeline?) b ca 1840

Many thanks in advance

Kim
Switzerland

[Bryant]

Hello Kim

Welcome to rootschat

I can see the 1827 IGI marriage (submitted by LDS member...no details)

Where is this family in 1841? or any other census


Bryant

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Hi Bryant,

thanks for taking pity on me! 

1841 they were in South Australia - not going to make this easy for you....

By a stroke of luck I have found them Stratford in 1839 through the death of a daughter. They lived in Woolwich and married in Charlton which is not far away.

Cheers
Kim

[Bryant]

Kim

Did he travel voluntarily.......

Here is John nabbing a dastardly thief 

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18390408-name-1487&div=t18390408-1424#highlight

and is this the same John?

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18370612-name-1180&div=t18370612-1591#highlight

Woolwich & Charlton adjoin one another and Stratford (as the crow flies) is probably less than 5 miles away although you would have to be a very good swimmer to get there.............although most people would have probably used or went by a small boat  in the 1830's

Bryant

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Hi Bryant,

No he went voluntarily. Along with friends, acquaintances etc. South Australia had a huge program for free settlers at that time.

Parents died 1837, buried St. Mary Magdalene Woolwich. Bros died. (One in the Thames in a boating accident.) Father had the Waterman's Arms at Bell Watergate. As you will know nothing left of this -

it is my understanding that there was a ferry boat that went across the Thames there to North Woolwich?? And for years I thought that was where they were. Finding the PR's for that area was a massive hunt and it seems that most sources agree that St. M M in Woolwich was responsible - so guess churchgoers also didn't swim... and I also realised I had to widen my hunt ... as they are not in the St. MM registers...

Anyway found them now in Stratford. 1839 Pigot's seals the evidence - Shoemaker in High St.

Thanks for your support

kim

[Bryant]

That ferry is still there.........used it quite a few times but not for many years

E.O.L.F.H.S (east of london) might be able to assist with this one?

Bryant

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Dear Bryant,

Thanks for the links. Very clever of you to find that. I think the first one seems most certainly to be him. Not sure abt second one, it's earlier and I have no indication or evidence that he worked for a Chas Wormley - but maybe sth will turn up.

Thanks for your support.

Kim

Kim

Did he travel voluntarily.......

Here is John nabbing a dastardly thief 

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18390408-name-1487&div=t18390408-1424#highlight

and is this the same John?

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18370612-name-1180&div=t18370612-1591#highlight

Woolwich & Charlton adjoin one another and Stratford (as the crow flies) is probably less than 5 miles away although you would have to be a very good swimmer to get there.............although most people would have probably used or went by a small boat  in the 1830's

Bryant

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Thnaks Bryant,

From their website, they don't have books and no one for lookups. I have ordered the relevant fiche from Essex record office for West Ham and am praying they will be there - Stratford is not allowed to be copied?

Many thanks for all your suggestions and help.

kind regards
Kim

That ferry is still there.........used it quite a few times but not for many years

E.O.L.F.H.S (east of london) might be able to assist with this one?

Bryant

[Bryant]

Kim

When anyone from England lands up in OZ in the period of time that we are looking at.......the Old Bailey records is where you start.

John appears to me to be an east London lad! I don't know why but he does!

The EOLFHS site......if you go to the surnames section you will find someone researching the name of HONEY for the Mile End area.......an email address (via eolfhs) is to be found there....you never know

I must admit to not knowing (or anything about) the Watermans Arms Bell Watergate ......... but their is a Watermans Arms in the right area even now!.........look to the top right of the map by Newcastle Drawdock

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/gettingaround/Cutty-Sark-DLR.pdf

albeit the wrong side of the river.......
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Looking at Victorian Pubs/Inns the Watermans Arms appears to be in the High Street Woolwich which is a spit (would have been less than 50 yards) away from the River Thames...and may well have been classified as Bell Water Gate?.........the term water gate meaning exactly that......a gate to stop the water and it appears that the Bell Water Gate was named after the pub that was there........The Bell

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hitch/gendocs/pubs.html#W

The Bell, Bell Water Gate, Woolwich Arsenal, Woolwich is also mentioned

http://www.yellins.com/woolwichferry/bwg.html

http://www.yellins.co.uk/woolwichferry/bwg2.html

Bryant