PERRY: George b.1854 Chile + George senior

[meggylux]

Please can anyone help...point me in the right direction.

This is work in process and follows on from a thread I had within Essex county.
Perry of Fingringhoe.

I am STILL looking for my great grandfather (gosh have I searched!)

confirmed info

GEORGE PERRY b 1854 Chile d. 1934

1881 married Jessie Pope in Jan Newcastle UK occ Accountant however Georges marital status indicates a WIDOWER
1881 census..Jessie Pope found unmarried working for a vicar in Hexham...no sign of George
1882 son John Arthur born...living in West Dulwich occ Auctioneer/estate agent

1891 census George now identified as ARTHUR PERRY living in Marylebone with John and sick nurse Ernest Youell (EDITH) and servant
1891 Jessie died death registered by Edith Youell
1891 Arthur and Edith marry Tendring Essex (Clacton) occ Sanitary inspector

children
Dorothy Annie Perry Ipswich 1892
Edward Paul 1894 Marylebone
Purcival David 1896/7 marylebone

1901 census living in Fingringhoe Essex

children
Maurice Frederick 1901 Lexden
+
Ernest (no info)
Leslie (no info)

My search is for George in 1881 census and any info prior to 1881..I have not been able to find any birth details and think I will have to take a 200 mile trip to Kew.
I know his father was George a surgeon and family info indicates that he was ships surgeon...have not been able to find any inf for him...although on 1881 marriage certificate it indicates that  George senior was dead.

If anyone likes a mystery and has any time and energy. I would be most grateful for any help. I really have tried and have asked for help before, which has opened up no end of possibilities but always I return to the basic info in previous paragraph.
..........Thank you in advance...mandy

[bedfordshire boy]

I have to question whether the Jessie Pope you have found is the wife of George /Arthur Perry.

Why should Jessie Perry, wife of an accountant, who on marriage in January 1881 was living in Sunderland, have been the same person on 3 April 1881 as Jessie Pope , unmarried servant to a vicar in Mickley, 25 miles from Sunderland?

As you can't find George in 1881, isn't it more likely that Jessie Perry was with her husband and both are missing/haven't been found yet?

David

[meggylux]

Hi

Thanks for your suggestion, but all the information on their marriage certificate and death certificate indicate that they are one and the same, after all after her death George/Arthur married the nurse

[bedfordshire boy]

I'm not saying that the Jessie who died and the Jessie Pope that George/Arthur married weren't the same person. I'm saying that I have seen nothing that persuades me that Jessie Pope unmarried 25 born Scotland, servant to a vicar in Mickley in April 1881, is the same person as Jessie Pope from Sunderland who married George Perry three months earlier.

Do you have any evidence from the marriage cert or anywhere else that Jessie was from Scotland? If not what's the link to the vicar's servant? On 19 March you posted that she was born in Plymouth, and was on the census living in Yorkshire as Jessie Pope, unmarried.

I can't see either of them in 1881, under either George or Arthur, Perry or Parry, nor anyone born in Chile or South America. They seem to have disappeared. Could George have taken his new wife to see his mother in Chile?

David

[meggylux]

Hi
Thank you for your continued help.

Yes I did initially think that Jessie may have been from Plymouth as there was a marriage for Perry?Pope.... However the marriage certificate for George Arthur Perry to Jessie Pope indicates she is from Scotland, her brother Robert was a witness and her father was a blacksmith....all can be linked with Jessie working in Mickley, so although I cannot say with 100% conviction that this information is correct, it does seem likely.

I have been in contact with relations of Jessie who have the evidence working the other way, but lost George, after the death of Jessie. Although George chose to use his preferred middle name in his marriage to Edith (his 3rd wife....on marriage cert to Jessie indicates he was a widower then), the signature is apart from the  change of name, the same and fathers name and occupation is the same.

Regarding revisiting Chile, it is a possibility. I have no knowledge or indication of Georges mother...Jessies relatives have found that Jessie's brother was living in Chicago...maybe he was the link between them meeting....all supposition. George had numerous occupations and I have evidence of him not only being an accountant but also and Estate Agent, an auctioneer, a sanitary inspector and a public health officer.

1891 and 1901 census show Arthur having been born in St Taco (? Santiago) and South America..... recently I have made contact with a relative of Arthurs eldest son with Edith, and it is said that Arthur said he was born in Chile, which confirms the census and that he travelled around the world with his father George who was a ships surgeon (unable to find in any census or within the college of surgeons).

This is probably the reason for me being unable to find anything for them pre 1881 (according to Marriage cert to Jessie, George senior was dead). I have searched every combination I can think of and also followed other Perry families through in hope that somewhere I can establish a match, with no avail.

I know that I am going to have to take a trip to Kew, 200 miles away, if I am ever going to make headway with finding either George, but I live in hope that I may find a member of the Perry family who can unlock all the secrets to this elusive family.

Once again thank you

[jorose]

I found this thread after seeing your other thread on the surgeon George.

www.historicaldirectories.org shows a George Perry, accountant, living in Winchester, Hants, in 1875.

[meggylux]

Thanks very much. I will look into this. It would be wonderful if it did tie in. 

Since starting  this thread my cousin has been to Kew and found nothing, the same with direct contact with Chile, although they say at that time this was not unusual as there was no compulsion to record births deaths marriages, although the fact that he states he is a British national would indicate to me that there should be a document somewhere.

On His second marriage cert, it shows that George Arthur was a widow then, he was 27 years old. I know it is not always the case but none of the son's born within the final two marriageds was a George. I know he did not like the name, referring tohimself as Arthur for most of his life, but in this era I note that usually the eldest son followed his fathers name. The eldest son that I have found is John Arthur, what do you think the likelihood of another son is?

Once again thank you for the new line of search

meggylux

[TALBOT2]

One of my ancestors was a Thomas Perry who was born in approximately 1767 at Ilminster in Somerset U.K.
I believe that Thomas Perry's wife may have been Betty Seager who was born in approximately 1771 and their marriage may have taken place in approximately 1792.
According to my information, Thomas Perry and  his wife Betty (nee Seager) had at least one son George Perry, who was born in approximately 1793 and who may have died in approximately 1868. I believe that he married Elizabeth (nee Paul) and they had at least two children.- They were as follows....

(1) a son, Charles Seager Perry (who may have married a Miss Brice and they had a son called Charles Brice Perry).

(2) a  daughter, Jane Seager Perry, who married Edward May and they had a number of children, including, Mary Elizabeth May (who married Thomas Talbot), Amelia May and Sophia May to name but three.

I believe that some of these family members may have moved to, or stayed in, London and Middlesex areas of the U.K. where their descendants were born.
I do hope that this is helpful and am happy to share all my research.

[meggylux]

Talbot 2, thank you very much got your contact.

Since my initial post, all the information I had and thought to be correct has been shown to be correct. I have found numerous cousins in Australia and the UK and we have all stumbled at the same point, pre 1881. Interestingly we have all been handed down the same folklore, howeve none of us can crack this to verify it.

A cousin in Australia and a descendent of George Arthur and Jessie Pope;s son John Arthur have a journal written by John. However he identifies that his father, the above George Arthur was very reticent about talking about his earlly life.

We know he was in Ballarat, Australia with his father in the 1860's, however there are no exact matches on the passenger lists online, although there was a George Perry and son on the SS Great Britain, however the age of George jnr does not fit, and we have no other info to verify.

We now have an indication of George Arthur becoming estranged from his family, there is an indication that a cousin of his was married to the mayor of Derby at the time of a royal visit. However working from this end I cannot find a link. We are unsure of when the estrangement occurred, either pre or on his marriage to Jessie.

We know that during his marriage to Jessie, they were officers in the Salvation Army, after her death, he and his family remained in the S.A.

Despite following George Perry surgeons, in the census and medical directories I still cannot link him up. I have recently found a couple more (apothocry, but still cannot definitively match them.)

I have now a lot of information and uncovered secrets in relation to the later generations, but information pre 1881 remains elusive.

So I am sorry I really don't know if these families link up. Were your Perry family quite affluent, as there does appear to have been money within this family, although it has all gone now (ha)?

Thank you..... Mandy