Lawday,Lawdey.Lowday & variants

[step52]

I am still looking for the birth (probably 1760 -  1780) and death (1825 -1840) of James Lawday, tailor of Somerstown /Marylebone area of London. He is the father of my 2x gr grandmother mother Sarah Robins Lawday born 1815  St Marylebone. My Lawdays were supposed to have come from Devon but until I find James parents death, birth, birthplace etc I can't link them back. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated
Step 52

[Bryant]

Sarah Robins Lawday married whom, where & when? but first, as Sarah is on the maternal side of this family........how do you know her surname is Lawday? from a registered marriage cert? could it be Lawsey? it may have been mistranscribed by you/someone (easy to do) and who are the witnesses at the marriage?

And if you have concrete evidence that she was a Lawday (I can see a nice family of Lawsey's with James aged 45-49=45 the father being a tailor  ) living in M.E.O.T with a possible mother aged 73 living in Marylebone.....the only Lawsey's in town ie Middx

Start by building families of Lawday's.........their aren't that many in London in 1841/1861

for example......

1861
5 DIGBY STREET, ST MATTHEW BETHNAL GREEN, MIDDX
THOMAS LAWDAY   HEAD   38  AWL BLADE MAKER    BETHNAL GREEN, MIDDX
MARY          "          WIFE    31                                               "
THOMAS      "          SON     8                                                 "
WILLIAM     "          SON     6                                                 "
MARY           "          DAUR   4                                                 "
ELIZA          "          DAUR   9 MONTHS                                   "
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1861
17 PUTNEY STREET, ISLINGTON, MIDDX
WILLIAM R LAWDAY    VISITOR   40  (MAR)  COMMERCIAL TRAVELLER    ST PANCRAS, MIDDX
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1841
HAMPDEN STREET, ST PANCRAS, MIDDX
WILLIAM LAWDEY   35   CHEMIST & DRUGS    NO
SUSANNAH    "        40                                    YES
EMMA            "         8                                     YES
THOMAS        "         2                                     YES
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1861
30 WHITEFRIARS STREET, ST BRIDES, LONDON, MIDDX
CHARLES LAWDAY    HEAD  32  CHIMNEY SWEEP    LONDON, MIDDX (London orphanage Asylum, St John Hackney...Charles Lawdy aged 12 in 1841 census)
ELIZA           "           WIFE  29                                         "
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Now you need to find those (above)  London born Lawday's in 1851 (not available to me) and then find them in 1841

that may or may not lead you to these..........
THOMAS LAWDAY  married SARAH NEILD  17 nov 1808  St Brides (Fleet Street), Middx
JOHN LAWDAY married MARY GOODMAN   13 nov 1811           "                   "
WILLIAM LAWDAY married ANN BRENNEN  13 mar 1827          "                  "
JAMES LAWDAY married ELIZABETH PERKS 5 dec 1802  St Anne Soho, Westminster, Middx

Bryant

[Meliora]

Hello, Step52,

Marriage
William Lawrence  =  Sarah Robins Lawday
IGI
7th Apr. 1839  Old Church, St Pancras
Birth reg entry
June ¼ 1839  St Pancras 1  277

I could not see them in the 1841 census but here they are in the 1851.

1851 census
HO107/1513  folio 208  page 56
Old North St.   St. George the Martyr

William Lawrence  head  age 35 Labourer b St Pancras
Sarah  wife  age 35   b  Marylebone
Sarah  dau  age 10   b  St George the Martyr
Martha  dau  age  7  b  ditto
Hannah  dau  age 4   b   ditto
Eliza  dau  age 2   b   ditto
William  son age 1  b  dittp
Elizabeth Gibbs  visitor  age 48    b  Kent.

Meliora

[Meliora]

Perhaps you would like to consider this family in Devon (IGI)

Parents
Charles & Sarah Lawday

children  all bapt. at South Molton, Devon
William    29th Jan 1787
Jonathon   29th Dec 1788
Thomas   3rd Mar 1791
James   18th Aug  1793.

I could find no marriage for a Charles & Sarah, or James.

Meliora

[step52]

Thanks Bryant and Meliora for your replies.
The name is definitely Lawday or earlier spelling variants Lawdey, Lawdy, Lowday etc.
I have a copy of the marriage certificate of my2x gr grandmother Sarah Robins Lawday to William Lawrence at St Pancras Old Church 1839. Her father is given as Jas Lawday, dead. The witnesses were her brother William Robins Lawday and her sister Martha Robins Little Lawday. Her address was Isaacs Place.
1841 census  Martha R L lawday is residing with her mother Elizabeth at Isaacs Place both tailoress
1851 James Lawday( brother or half brother of Sarah) at Isaacs Place tailor-
1871 James Lawday St Pancras Workhouse tailor born St James Westminster
1872 death cert James Lawday (at St Pancras Workhouse) tailor age 68 so big gap till next child Sarah's birth in 1815, William R around 1819 and Martha R L around 1816
My great grandmother, Sarah's daughter always said that her grandfather was a master tailor but his son was careless and let it go (hence the workhouse)
Son James was born around 1804 so could be the son of the James who married Elizabeth Perks at St Anne's Soho in 1802. Old James would have to have been born around 1780 or probably earlier.
I can't find any records for old James so assuming he died before civil registration. I have searched the IGI batch numbers for a lot of the parishes in the St Pancras St Marylebone area without success. but finding several other Lawday families.
Sarah Robins (Lawday) Lawrence died in 1852 aged only 36 and her husband William remarried a few years later. Her 2 eldest daughters, Sarah Lawrence (born 1841,) emmigrated to NSW 1858and my great grandmother Martha Lawrence (born 1843)  emmigrated to NSW 1868 and, although there was regular and frequent letter contact between them and their family in London, because of the early death of their mother  and their father's remarriage I guess a lot of Lawday family information has been lost except for:-
*Lawdays originally came to London  from Devon
*were Huguenots from France name originally spelt differently
*Sarah Lawdays father was a tailor etc
* an ancestor was a baronet Sir Peter Lawday who fought for Charles1 in the Civil War and lost his estates

I have done quite a bit of research on Sir Richard Lawday (not Peter) who was killed in the king's service at Coleford in the Forest of Dean in Feb 1643 and was buried at Monmouth Church. His story is fascinating but as he apparently died without heirs I don't know how or if he is connected.

I am also trying to find the Robins connection as 3 of old James children had this as a middle name, William's son and Sarah's daughter also had Robins as a middle name.
If anyone can shed any light on these mini mysteries I would be very grateful
Regards Step52

[Bryant]

Better understanding now.......

1841
66 THEOBALD ROAD, ST GEO THE MARTYR, MIDDX
JOHN LAWRENCE  60  BLACKING MAKER   NO
HANNAH     "         58                                 NO
GEORGE     "         22  PRINTER J                YES
FREDERICK "         14 ?    BOY                    YES
WILLIAM     "         25 BLACKING MAKER     YES
SARAH        "         25                                  YES
SARAH        "           3 MONTHS                    YES
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for your IGI batch numbers this is user friendly
http://nzsghamilton.co.nz/england.htm

Bryant 

[step52]

Thanks Bryant,
I also have this census entry.
William Lawrence worked at Day & Martins Blacking Factory. Young Frederick, later a compositor, came to Australia around 1855 to work on the Sydney Morning Herald. I havent been able to find out where John Lawrence and Hannah (formerly Bridge) were married or where they came from (out of county)
William Lawrence was born 15 Sept 1815-this date from our own family records but I havent found his baptism or any of his brothers'. I believe there was also an older brother John born about 1813. He also had a sister Hannah born 9 Oct 1820 bapt 1820 St Andrew Holborn 17 Dec 1820. I have a  reasonable amount of info on the Lawrences (because of family leters and postcards from the late 1800's but the Lawdays are elusive.
I do appreciate the help you are giving
Cheers
Step52

[Bryant]

Have you had a look at Charles Somers........just in case he ties in somehow? as their are only three people living in the house and he appears to be one of them.......not room divided  \ ........ but then again if the enumerator didn't bother!

1841
ISAACS PLACE, ST PANCRAS, MARYLEBONE, MIDDX
ELIZABETH LAWDAY  55  TAILORESS   YES
MARTHA          "         25         "            YES
CHARLES SOMERS     50      IND           YES
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1710 marriage between Somers & Lundie.........clutching at straws comes to mind