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Re: Mystery of the Grieving Patton Heiress
« Reply #225 on: Thursday 10 July 08 01:20 BST (UK) »


Not really getting anywhere fast at the moment, the census is not showing anything useful yet, but I still have a few tricks that I can try.... maybe we'll get lucky.

Don't know how much the deaths will tell us but I will have a look at the 2 that you think are most likely.

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Re: Mystery of the Grieving Patton Heiress
« Reply #226 on: Thursday 10 July 08 02:17 BST (UK) »

L-J

I think that I have found Mary HOWIESON in 1851..... living with her HOWIESON grandparents......

Could "Bothwell Mary" have been named after this Mary ??

If this Mary HOWIESON is sister or half sister ( it seems that they have different mothers on the IGI ) of Janet GILCHRIST, does that then mean that these are Janet's grandparents ?

1851 Census Scotland Lanarkshire New Monkland
ED8A/ Parish Reg # 651/ Page 18
Wattstown

HOWIESON
William Head Marr 55 Spirit Dealer born Palmont Stirling
Elizabeth Wife Marr 59 born Palmont Stirling
William Son Unmarr 14 Scholar born Palmont Stirling
William Grand Son Unmarr 11 Scholar born Old Monkland Lanarkshire
Mary Grand Dau Unmarr 9 Scholar born Old Monkland Lanarkshire

I will go back to the IGI and see what comes up.

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Re: Mystery of the Grieving Patton Heiress
« Reply #227 on: Thursday 10 July 08 02:38 BST (UK) »


Okay


How's this for a good fit then :-

HOWIESON Alexander baptised  11/02/1814  Larbert Stirlingshire  Father = William HOWIESON  Mother = Elizabeth JENKINS


HOWIESON William married Elizabeth JENKINS 06/09/1812  Bothkennar Stirlingshire

Not found a marriage for Alexander HOWIESON and Jane NISBETT as yet though....

HOWIESON Alexander married Isabella BROWN 02/08/1835

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Re: Mystery of the Grieving Patton Heiress
« Reply #228 on: Thursday 10 July 08 02:41 BST (UK) »


I've messed up here somewhere............ Alexander born 1814 can't be the father of Janet born 1823...... not possible.....

Arrrggh.

I think it's time I stopped for a while and went and did something else.....

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Re: Mystery of the Grieving Patton Heiress
« Reply #229 on: Thursday 10 July 08 02:52 BST (UK) »

Okay

Think I have it sorted now....


Janet HOWIESON baptised 30 Sept 1821 Bothkennar Stirlingshire to Father William and Mother Elizabeth JENKINS.

This is Janet GILCHRIST....... Mary is most likely her niece rather than her half sister.......  Alexander HOWIESON is Janet's brother and Mary's father.

That make far more sense......

So ignore the Janet born to Alexander and Jane NISBETT......... that was wrong.  Turns out he is Janet's uncle....brother of her father William.

Let's see where William and Elizabeth HOWIESON are in the census.

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Re: Mystery of the Grieving Patton Heiress
« Reply #230 on: Thursday 10 July 08 03:04 BST (UK) »


1841 Census Scotland Lanarkshire New Monkland
ED7a/ Parish Reg # 651
Watston

HOWIESON
William Head Marr 49 Iron Miner born Scotland
Elizabeth Wife Marr 49 born Scotland
Janet Dau Unmarr 18 born Scotland
Peter Son Unmarr 16 born Scotland
Jean Dau Unmarr 12 born Scotland
Robert Son Unmarr 10 born lanarkshire
Agnes Dau Unmarr 7 born Lanarkshire
William Son Unmarr 4 born Lanarkshire

1861 Census Scotland Lanarkshire New Monkland
ED5/ Reg # 651/2

HOWIESON
William Head Marr 69 Spirit Dealer born Polmont Stirlingshire
Elizabeth Wife Marr 69 born Labort Stirlingshire
William Grand Son Unmarr 21 Colliery Visitor born Old Monkland Lanarkshire
William Grand Son Unmarr 5 Scholar born New Monkland Lanarkshire


Neither William or Elizabeth are on any more census.

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Re: Mystery of the Grieving Patton Heiress
« Reply #231 on: Thursday 10 July 08 06:14 BST (UK) »
Hi Karenlee,
 I have been sitting here a while with a pencil and paper trying to make sense of  all your  hard work.
 
 Mary , the grand daughter in the Howieson household in the 1851 is 9 years old which is making her the oldest candidate  for Mary so far I believe (b c1842)!

I can see how all the Howeison's can be tied nicely together and recognize how logically  that granddaughter Mary would be Janet Howieson's neice  but is not likely to be a Gilchrist.  She could be a Howieson by one of the sons or some other name by marriage of one of the daughters.
 
We know that Janet married Alexander Gilchrist and they had a daughter too called Mary ( presumably Gilchrist) born in Bothwell and age 3 in the 1851 and 13 in the 1861....much closer to the correct age of our Mary but still not right unless you accept my 27+5 theory.

The bad news is that we cannot cinch it by finding  grandmother  Elizabeth howeison as a widow in the 1871 or 1881 in the Monkland/Baillieston area, which would corroborate Mary's story to the Inspector. The good news is that if our Mary is indeed Janet's daughter,  then we have found a lot  of relatives on her family tree!

On the death records, my bet would be on the 1922 as we have a record that says she was alive in 1919.  Carluke 1930 is geographically too far away  to be very credible and with her lifestyle she would have had to be lucky to live that long. PossilPark in 1922 was a pretty mean and poor district of Glasgow. Would a death record in Scotland typically tell us anything which could help us? We already know that it will say 67 years in 1922= born c 1855 which is pretty good. Anything else....kin, birthplace?

At some stage soon I must call it a day and stop depending on your help and good nature. Sometimes things are never meant to be unravelled until their time. Best wishes, Lumber-Jack

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Re: Mystery of the Grieving Patton Heiress
« Reply #232 on: Thursday 10 July 08 06:25 BST (UK) »


L-J

You're a bit confused about my method of proving relationships etc......

Mary HOWIESON aged 9 in 1851 is the same Mary who was living with the GILCHRIST family in 1861.... it appears that she is Janet GILCHRIST's niece.

Janet HOWIESON had a brother Alexander born 1814 who married Isabella BROWN in 1835 and had daughter Mary in 1841 ish.

I still think that Alexander and Janet GILCHRIST's Mary is our "Bothwell Mary". 

My intent in following up on the younger Mary HOWIESON  was becuse I was trying to find parents for Janet GILCHRIST nee HOWIESON in order to find the person that "Bothwell Mary" may have refered to when she said she had family ( mother ) living Baillieston or Rankine's land area.

Janet GILCHRIST's parents were William HOWIESON and Elizabeth JENKINS.  William died in 1864 and I have not found Elizabeth's death yet.  Both William and Elizabeth were born about 1790 so that would make her about 80 in the 1871 census if she is still around... have not found her yet... so not sure if she is the relative we are after.

Alexander GILCHRIST -- father of "Bothwell Mary" appears to be the son of James GILCHRIST and Isabella HENDERSON.  Isabella is still around in 1841 and 1851 but James appears to have died pre the 1841 Census.  Isabella would have been born about 1786 so I doubt that she was still around in 1871 or 1881. .... so most likely not the relative in Rankine's Land.

Does that make it clearer??  Sorry to have confused you.  I have actually drawn up a small tree so that I don't get confused when searching.  It helps heaps

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Re: Mystery of the Grieving Patton Heiress
« Reply #233 on: Thursday 10 July 08 06:31 BST (UK) »


Almost forgot.... the Mary death PossilPark is daughter of William and Jessie..... and the Mary death Carluke was daughter of Richard.    So neither fit with what we've found so far......... assuming we're right ::) ::)
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