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Re: Mystery of the Grieving Patton Heiress
« Reply #216 on: Wednesday 09 July 08 06:26 BST (UK) »
You rule...good research   ;D

mab...going to bed  :D
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Re: Mystery of the Grieving Patton Heiress
« Reply #217 on: Wednesday 09 July 08 06:41 BST (UK) »


Just checked the 1881 because the age discrepancy was bugging me.... Mary was 22 in 1871 but listed in L-J's notes as 25 in 1881.....


1881 Census Scotland Renfrewshire Greenock East
ED24/ Reg # 564/2
House of Refuge

GILCHRIST Mary 32 Washer born Hollytown

That's better.... much happier now that we have the right woman.

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Re: Mystery of the Grieving Patton Heiress
« Reply #218 on: Wednesday 09 July 08 06:59 BST (UK) »
Well done Karenlee, but that means that she still lied about her age to the Inspector as 27 in  January 1882 OR there was a miscommunication between them. Of her, he reports: "who although only 27 has been going awrong for over five years"....I wonder if he/ they meant to say " who after 27 years of age has been going awrong for five years" which would make her 32!!! Why would she b.s. a policeman about her age to preserve her profession! I was full of it!

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Re: Mystery of the Grieving Patton Heiress
« Reply #219 on: Wednesday 09 July 08 07:05 BST (UK) »

Yeah, bit worried about that bit too.... but then, we think that she lied about her parents --- father supposed to be dead and mother supposed to be living close to Baillieston..... so who knows what else she fibbed about.  Wonder if she really had any idea of how old she was anyway?  AND aren't there some diseases that ---- if she was a "working girl" ------ would muddle her mind anyway... and then of course there was always alcohol to help forget how lousy life was.

Lots of possibilities L-J.

Gotta go too... time to get the kids to the pool

See ya later, maybe while I'm out someone can pick holes in what I've done and prove me wrong...... still not sure about this Mary.  ;D ;D

Anyway...

Karenlee
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Re: Mystery of the Grieving Patton Heiress
« Reply #220 on: Wednesday 09 July 08 15:33 BST (UK) »
Hi karenlee, mab, and others following this tortuous trail!  It is morning here in Canada and my head is perhaps a little clearer. I feel badly for, even in speculation, suggesting that our Mary may have been lying a great deal and had a bad family background despite the circumstance that she found herself in when she voluntarily gave Henry to Inspector Berry. I hope history is kinder  to me when reflecting on my sins!
She was doing the best for her son.

 I think that "Bothwell Mary" whose family Karenlee so kindly reviewed through the censuses is our Mary and there was a miscommunication between her and the Inspector. Of her, he reports to Quarriers: "who although only 27 has been going awrong for over five years"....In the confusion and stress of the moment and remembering she is a battered woman at this point he/ they meant that after 27 years of age has been going awrong for five years. That would make her  about 32 which is fully compatible with "Bothwell Mary's" genealogy.

No other Mary's in the censuses or birth records fit by age or geography despite an extensive combing of these. And Mary herself identifies her birthplaces as Bothwell and Holyton which match later census records

There is however a clue in the "Bothwell Mary" genealogy:
"Janet Wife Marr 38 Inn Keeper and Flesher's Wife was born Old Monkland Lanarkshire"

In her interview with the Inspector, Mary said that she had been living with her mother in Rankine's Land, Baillieston but father died many years ago.
Karenlee has identified that on the 1881 Census Rankine's Land and Rankine's Land Attic are enumeration districts for Old Monkland Lanarkshire.
So was Mary really referring to her maternal grandmother and grandfather in this statement. She may have been estranged from her mother and father, but more likely she did not want to burden them with Henry and was very anxious to present a situation where Henry would be accepted into the care of Quarriers. William Quarrier’s Narrative of Facts  for January 30 1882 states at page 8:
“January 30 – A great many cases were dealt with at the City Home today. We took in a little boy of four, sent from a neighbouring town by a police officer. The poor miserable mother begged that the little fellow might be taken from such surroundings as she had brought herself into. She is anxious to lead a different life, and, as she stood before us, with her eye swollen by a blow from the woman who she says first led her to do wrong, we could but pray that she might be plucked as a brand from the burning. We trust that the little fellow may soon forget his past experience, and never know the depth of misery he has been taken from.”

I hope I have in the clearer light of day presented a more balanced picture. It would add additional weight to this theory if we could find a widow Howison (Janet's mother) in Rankins Land, Old Monkland, Baillieston in the 1871 and 1881 censuses. A death record for "Bothwell Mary" and the internal transcript for the Royal  Asylum:
1901 Census Scotland Lanarkshire Govan
Reg # 646/3   Roll CSSCT1901/332 Royal Asylum Gartnavel Glasgow
GILCHRIST Mary 48 Patient born Lanark

may also help.

Many thanks as always.....Lumber-Jack



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Re: Mystery of the Grieving Patton Heiress
« Reply #221 on: Thursday 10 July 08 00:19 BST (UK) »


Morning L-J

I have the Index to all the deaths for Mary GILCHRIST from 1915 to 1935.  None have a Mother's Maiden Name of HOWI(E)SON and only about 3 or 4 have no married name.  I would concentrate on those who appear to have never married.

I will go back to the list and pick them out for you in a second.

I will also check the census for a HOWISON in the right area in about 1871 or 1881.

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Re: Mystery of the Grieving Patton Heiress
« Reply #222 on: Thursday 10 July 08 00:31 BST (UK) »


Hi again

The IGI shows :-

Alexander GILCHRIST and Janet HOWISON married May 1845 in New Monkland Lanarkshire......  so that fits.....

There is also a possible birth for Janet :-

HOWISON Janet Christened 11 Oct 1823 Old Monkland Lanarkshire   Father = Alexander HOWISON  Mother = Jane NISBETT

Interestingly there was also a baptism for a Mary HOWISON ( as found in the 1861 Census with Alexander and Janet GILCHRIST  :-

HOWISON Mary Christened 22 May 1842 Dunbeth Relief Church Coatbridge Lanarkshire  Father = Alexander HOWISON   Mother = Isabella BROUN ( BROWN ? )

That's a strong possible too given the place of Baptism.

So will search Census for either Isabella or Jane.

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Re: Mystery of the Grieving Patton Heiress
« Reply #223 on: Thursday 10 July 08 00:42 BST (UK) »


L-J

These are the deaths for Mary GILCHRIST in Lanarkshire with no other surname ( generally  means that they are single ) listed on the Index :-

1918 GILCHRIST MARY     F 68 LANARK /LANARK

1922 GILCHRIST MARY     F 67 POSSILPARK GLASGOW CITY/LANARK

1930 GILCHRIST MARY     F 76 CARLUKE /LANARK

There is one other in Midlothian and another in Ayr.

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Re: Mystery of the Grieving Patton Heiress
« Reply #224 on: Thursday 10 July 08 00:52 BST (UK) »
Great work Karenlee...so I guess this means that there may be two grandmas with several name combination possibilities.... Jane Nisbett or Howison;and Isabella Broun(Brown)  or Howison. Also we know that mary was alive in 1919 so that leaves us with two death possibilities in Lanark/Glasgow. L-J
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