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Charles e firth
« on: Wednesday 28 May 08 16:33 BST (UK) »
Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me find the father of Charles E Firth? He was born in Skelmanthorpe 1859/60, married to Sarah A, with children Minnie, Thomas B and Harold (1901 census). His mother is Sarah Ann?  (a widow in 1861 census), Micklethwaite? Berry?....possibly??? Thanks. Jane

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Re: Charles e firth
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 28 May 08 17:35 BST (UK) »
Hi Jane,

Have I got the correct family in 1861  ???

Living in Denby Dale .

Sarah Firth 26 something of shawls b High Burton
Matilida dau 4
Charles E  son 2 b High Burton.

If so I believe Sarah is not a widow but unmarried.

If not can you please post the full reference
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Re: Charles e firth
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 28 May 08 20:57 BST (UK) »
Hi, Yes I think so. I think Sarah 's mother was Elizabeth Berry. She also had a daughter, Clarissa born 1855. The 1881 census lists her as being a widow. She was a shawl fringer.

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Re: Charles e firth
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 28 May 08 23:12 BST (UK) »
Hi Jane,

Well in that case if Sarah Firth was unmarried then both Matilda and Charles E would be illegitimate ..... therefore it is unlikely that they would have a fathers name on thier birth certificates.... have you sent for  either to see   ??? 

I am getting a bit confused here, are you saying that Sarah Firth b 1834 is down on the 1881 census as a widow, can you  please post the reference.

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I think Sarah 's mother was Elizabeth Berry

Can I please ask what evidence do you have of this.
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Re: Charles e firth
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 28 May 08 23:43 BST (UK) »
Hi Jane and Patrish

Hello..i posted wrong info!!!!!!!Sorry

Jane
Kershaw, Longbottom,Parvin
Areas  Huddersfield, Brighouse, Rastrick ,Thirsk, Sand Hutton
Masters in London/Surrey
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Re: Charles e firth
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 29 May 08 00:08 BST (UK) »
Hi, Sorry I'm still a bit new to this, so not making myself very clear. No I've not sent for a birth certificate for Charles. I wasn't sure I had enough information to order it. I would appreciate your advice.

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Re: Charles e firth
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 29 May 08 00:36 BST (UK) »
Hi

Have you any idea where Clarissa was in 1861 ?

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Re: Charles e firth
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 29 May 08 00:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Jane,

I am thinking out loud out now after looking at the 81 census,... it appears that Sarah Ann Firth is the daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth Berry.  but on the 61 census I think  it reads that she is unmarried not widowed.... what do you think Jane. ???

1861 RG9/3454/81/8
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I couldent find Clarissa in 61 either .

I think the only way forward is to send for Charles birth and see what it says re his father and then we can look for a marriage
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Re: Charles e firth
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 29 May 08 00:52 BST (UK) »
Hi Patrish and Jane

It could be down as Clara born to Isaac and Ann Firth ???

Rg9/ 3252
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