TAGGART/HANNA/

[Anthony]

Hi Val & Christopher. Was doing a wee bit of researching for Joe in Ligoniel & seen this.

Ligoniel Rd 1920

Wm Taggart 360 Ligoniel Rd.



                                                      Anthony
                                               

[Christopher]

Hiya Folks,

Has anyone an idea why the Taggart family were banished from Co. Antrim by Olicer Cromwell?
It feels a bit like a history class in school. Right Taggart Minnie Mouse (minimus) have you any
thoughts on this matter? I feel the only category into which the family could be placed would
be the "undertakers." I do not imagine those people who had served the crown would have
been too popular and I have an idea that Cromwell hated the Irish. 

The plantation of Ulster had been entrusted to three classes of land-owner.
1. The Fnglish and Scotish "undertakers" who were required to bring in their tenants.
2. The "servitors", who had served the Crown in Ireland were allowed to take Irish
tenants and newcomers.
3. The native Irish- allowed to own land, if they were trustworthy and agreed to adopt
English farming practices. In the event, too few immigrants were attracted to Ireland,
and the undertakers found they had to accept Irish tenants

Best Wishes, Chris

[Taggart 009]

Thank you Anthony (always loved that name by the way) This was kind of you to keep me in mind.  I have only one address so far for the Taggart's of Ligoniel and that was Delhi Street. Ligoniel.  So I will take note of this and see if the William you have mentioned could be mine. Could well be my great grandfather.
Thank you so much again.

[Taggart 009]

No kidding Chris, I have looked as best I know how BUT I appreciate  my know how could be questionable by your standards  
Anyway, I found this the aforementioned Cromwell  information just as you saw it on the attachment, on one of the message boards. However right after that my computer crashed and I lost a lot of my info. This attachment I had printed out but I lost the contact and the site it was on. attachment years ago.

Is it true?  I just don't know, but looking at all the other details, names etc, they do match my ancestors names, and areas etc. So I am thinking why would it be a lie. This is what I am trying to find out though, as well as do the attachment names and dates connect to my Taggarts.
Val.

[Christopher]

Hei Val,

The history of the Ireland, the north of England and Scotland was packed with battles and wars from 1600 to the time when Andrew Taggart i.e. the one you originally mentioned, who married Mary Shannon, was born. There would probably have been a fair amount of toing and froing .. never mind the Settlers with their followers and the Plantationers in Ulster. We know a little bit more about the next two hundred years to the present date so people are slightly easier to find.

I feel you are attempting to take too big a leap .. it is approximately 150 years back to Cromwell's time. Take it slowly. Lets see if we can get back to that time gradually rather than attempt to come forward in a mad rush from the time of Cromwell to the 1800s. I feel it would be well nigh impossible to make a connection using such an approach. Have a little bit of patience and you will probably find those missing ancestors.

All the Best, Chris

[Taggart 009]

Well I got this information for a rootschat member.
"D., ROBERT BREWSTER TAGGART, Stated Clerk of the General Assembly of the
Presbyterian ... He was ruthlessly deprived of his office and was banished"

[Christopher]

Hiya Val,

I have gone the other direction in time and found a Martha Taggart (or Ray.. I am not sure why her name may be "or Ray" .. possibly she was a widow marrying for the second time). Martha married a William McAfee in Co. Antrim in 1802. http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/islandblogging/blogs/000019/0000000026.shtml
There were also Taggarts at Ballamoda and Clycur (next door to each other) on the Isle of Man in 1881 including 92 year old Paul Taggart who was living with his relatives at Knockrushen. I've done the subtraction. Paul was born in 1789. That was about the time give or take a year or two that the Andrew Taggarts in Ireland were born. http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/fulltext/wernt.htm Yet another Taggart for you appears on a site about Old Time Religious Music in America, Oh Lordy, Everybody Clap your Hands, Hallelulah, Amen I found Blind Joe Taggart. At a rough guess I would say Blind Joe was probably a Negro slave at one time and the surname of his master would most likely have been Taggart. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/864srjvk.asp?pg=2

We move from America to Co. Armagh ... the county where the Taggarts settled when banished from Co. Antrim by Cromwell. The question is did some remain in Co. Armagh. Here we have Ellen or Helen Taggart marrying a Daniel (or Donald Butters) about 1820 http://www.curiousfox.com/history_Ire/armagh.lasso

I tell you what Val, you come forwards from the time of Cromwell .. I'll work back towards the time of Cromewell and with a bit of luck we might meet. By the time we do we may have found most of your ancestors. Anyone else who has a Taggart with an Irish connection please post details. Lets endeavour to make as many Taggart links as possible. 

All the Best, Chris

[Binti]

Wow
You guys (and Gals) are amazing - I am going to sit in here and wait for the Taggarts to pop up. I still don't know how or when I will recognise my Andrew, but it will be fun watching.
In the meantime, I am going to try and find out more about the Andrew who died in Cumberland in 1883.
Cheers
Patricia

[Christopher]

Hei,

How are you progressing there Patricia? I'm back with more information already.
I don't know if it is of much use as it is about a Joe Taggart in America. It is Joe's  Pennsylvanian Dutch grandfather who interests me. http://www1.cedar-rapids.net/hindman/ALTAGG.HTM Click on the Joe Taggart Video Summary and this mentions Joe's Dad's father. I wonder if the Taggart name was originally Dutch. I will forget the Dutch theory and stick to Irish or Scots. Obviously a few Taggarts settled in the Netherlands. No need to worry about them too seriously. Just bear in mind they were there. Probably a few returned with King William in 1690 and received some land in Ireland for assisting him. There's no way of proving that theory though.
I found the Taggart Family Crest site but learnt nothing new there. We already know that the Gaelic form of the name Mac an-t-sagairt means son of the priest.

Sometime in the late 1800s Maria Gribben, born in 1867 at Ballymacash, Lisburn married a Taggart
and had a son Harry. She was widowed, married a Samuel Carberry and moved to Winnipeg.
http://b4.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=1141665423&user=pfhs

The History of the Taggart family ... I do not recall this being posted on this thread. http://www.jantacc.demon.co.uk/clanhist.html Donegore is probably half way between Taggartstown near Randalstown and Taggartstown between Belfast and Antrim. Two towns with the family name ... those towns are no more than townlands today. I wonder what warrants "town" being added to a surname and imagine either several families of the same name living in the area or one family possessing several acres of land.

I am getting there Val. At the end of King Charles reign Cromwellian troops were fighting the Scottish forces of the Crown led by Major General Robert Monro in Antrim. That must have been in 1649 although there may have been some Cromwellian troops in Ireland pre his landing at Dublin. www.antrim.connor.anglican.org/timelineo1.htm These troops, with or without Cromwell, were somewhat busy in the north of Ireland as the Castle at Dromore, Co. Down was destroyed about the same time. This period in Antrim's history seems to be reasonably well recorded so that document you found about the Taggarts being banished by Cromwell must be in archives somewhere so that they may be studied by researchers.

More Taggarts for you Val. These ones are mentioned in Brown's Directory 1894 for Douglas, IoM. www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/fulltext/bd1894/do_mz.htm Here are some more. Mariners, or a mariner, mentioned in Australian newspapers. www.hotkey.net.au/~jwilliams4/marine10.htm

Best Wishes, Chris