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Re: Medieval Family History - taking the plunge...
« Reply #36 on: Friday 30 May 08 13:20 BST (UK) »
Yes, I suppose so ... life was cheap in those days !    :-\
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Re: Medieval Family History - taking the plunge...
« Reply #37 on: Friday 30 May 08 13:24 BST (UK) »
Not by any means being an authority on the subject - in fact a complete novice, but trying to bit by bit add to my knowledge of medieval genealogy - the slave or serf status didn't last, disappearing not long after the Norman Conquest.
Amongst the poorer people there were free as well as unfree tenants, but the bargaining position of the unfree tenants altered hugely after the ravages of the Black Death (1348-50) - supply and demand, with the population massively depleted.
The point that is being made about whether "once an ag. lab., always an ag. lab." is that fortunes could fluctuate for any family either upwards or downwards, and there's nothing to stop the possibility of a family of ag. labs. once having been quite well to do and perhaps  getting a mention in the medieval records of the time...
I've also spotted the fact that if your genealogy is in the Durham area, you're luckier than most at the moment, for a database of 11,000 names is being put together from the 9th to the 16thC, commemorated in the Liber Vitae of Durham.  Not sure whether there's an internet link for this yet, though.
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Re: Medieval Family History - taking the plunge...
« Reply #38 on: Friday 30 May 08 13:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Everyone,

A very interesting thread.
Thanks Willow, found some Torr info on the medieval genealogy site.
Unfortunately my problem is proving which children born to my g/great grandfather David Holdsworth were with which wife.  He had 2 , Mary Eliza Nettlem and Mary Eliza Torr ( whos traceable ancestry goes back to 1120- and I have this info- hence my hopefull user name  ;D ;D) If my genealogy is from the Nettlem wife, the family name seems to have disappeared!

If I can prove any of this it also means that Iris Murdoch ( the writer) was descended from the Holdsworth /Nettlem or Holdsworth /Torr marriage also.
 Iris's grandmother was the sister of my grandmother, and they were the daughters of John Shaw and Ann Elizabeth Holdsworth.
Quite an interesting family !


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Re: Medieval Family History - taking the plunge...
« Reply #39 on: Friday 30 May 08 13:33 BST (UK) »
Not looking too promising Keith - last updated 2006:
http://www.dlv.org.uk/index.html


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« Reply #40 on: Friday 30 May 08 13:56 BST (UK) »
Not a propos of anything really, but I've never read Iris Murdoch - however I had a recent long conversation with a woman in a bookshop about which of her novels I should choose to buy to take with me when I go on holiday to Denmark at the end of June for 10 days.  She suggested "The Sea, Sea".  Anyone care to comment if this was good advice...
And Ruskie, that's a disappointment, the article in the Society of Genealogist's quarterly magazine talks it up as the next exciting development in Medieval Genealogy...
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« Reply #41 on: Friday 30 May 08 14:08 BST (UK) »
Hopefully, they'll get round to completing it - I got all excited there for a minute  ;D

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« Reply #42 on: Friday 30 May 08 14:14 BST (UK) »
Me too, having just had a Scavenger hunt for my Durham ancestors  ... ah well; win some, lose some.

'The Sea, the Sea' ... a MUST read by Iris.   Not what I'd exactly call light fluffy sort of reading, but nevertheless, a great novel. 
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« Reply #43 on: Friday 30 May 08 14:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Keith,

I must say I have not read ANY of her books, but after researching her and finding her link to New Zealand and then getting her grandparents Marriage Cert. from N.Z. last week, will have to read some of her books. She is highly regarded and must admit have seen to movie "Iris" even before confirming our link.
 Off to the Library next week ;)

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« Reply #44 on: Friday 30 May 08 14:32 BST (UK) »
If you just want to take one book to last a whole ten days, and you are into the medieval ... then that book I quoted before is a must ... 'The Pillars of the Earth' by K(en ?) Follett.  Its about 1100 pages !
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