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Offline Keith Sherwood

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Re: Medieval Family History - taking the plunge...
« Reply #63 on: Friday 06 June 08 14:20 BST (UK) »
Marie,
No need at all to feel sorry for me, or anyone else for that matter!  Delighted for you, and even if this thread only throws up one such example as yours, it will all have been worthwhile...
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Re: Medieval Family History - taking the plunge...
« Reply #64 on: Friday 06 June 08 21:49 BST (UK) »
Well done Marie ... my Adams weren't on it either !



(But of course, one can wonder if the original Adam was an ancestor !   ;D ;D ;D )
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Som'set: Clark(e) Fry
Durham: Law(e)
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Re: Medieval Family History - taking the plunge...
« Reply #65 on: Friday 06 June 08 22:32 BST (UK) »
Top notch lineage there, then, Lydart. ;D ;)
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Re: Medieval Family History - taking the plunge...
« Reply #66 on: Saturday 07 June 08 03:15 BST (UK) »
Paulene, Keith and Lydart,

Thank you so much for your kind words!

Lydard, some members of the LDS seriously think they can trace people back to the Old Testament times - not sure if they think they can trace as far as Adam!  ;D ;D  When I've been in there researching and been told that, I just smile sweetly and say that's pretty impressive!  (Not going to bite the hand that feeds me with all these great films of PRs, etc!   ;D ;D

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Re: Medieval Family History - taking the plunge...
« Reply #67 on: Saturday 07 June 08 07:47 BST (UK) »

Lydard, some members of the LDS seriously think they can trace people back to the Old Testament times - not sure if they think they can trace as far as Adam!  ;D ;D  When I've been in there researching and been told that, I just smile sweetly and say that's pretty impressive!  (Not going to bite the hand that feeds me with all these great films of PRs, etc!   ;D ;D

MarieC

The fact that it is possible to plot a tree back to biblical times is not really in dispute, it can be done.

However grave doubts must be reserved about the accuracy of any such tree.
Here in England as we progress through the medieval period written records that specify specific people become scare. It becomes almost impossible to obtain different sources of material to confirm a single mention of a name and accuracy is put in doubt.
As we progress further many/most lines then rely on Scandinavian oral history which may be extremely accurate or it may contain errors.
In a similar way Gypsy history leans heavily on oral history which in some cases is extremely accurate but in others not so.
The further back in history the scarcer the records become, even the bible must be questioned as many of the books that make up the bible were written hundreds of years after the events portrayed. Records do exist but those that do exist require translation and here experts even disagree to the meaning of such translations. ;)

The problem is not tracing a line back to biblical times but in proving the accuracy of such a line without gaps.
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Re: Medieval Family History - taking the plunge...
« Reply #68 on: Saturday 07 June 08 08:23 BST (UK) »
The problem with oral history is perhaps not so much its accuracy, but in interpreting it.  This needs a lot of lateral thinking !  I have several examples of 'oral history' in my own family, of which I doubted the truth, but then upon careful investigation and side-ways thinking, proved to be more or less correct.  Of course, the further back in time one goes, the harder it is to prove or disprove oral history ... but I'm certain there is always some grains of truth in it.
Dorset/Wilts/Hants: Trowbridge Williams Sturney/Sturmey Prince Foyle/Foil Hoare Vincent Fripp/Frypp Triggle/Trygel Adams Hibige/Hibditch Riggs White Angel Cake 
C'wall/Devon/France/CANADA (Barkerville, B.C.): Pomeroy/Pomerai/Pomroy
Som'set: Clark(e) Fry
Durham: Law(e)
London: Hanham Poplett
Lancs/Cheshire/CANADA (Kelowna, B.C. & Sask): Stubbs Walmesley

WRITE LETTERS FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS TO TREASURE ... EMAILS DISAPPEAR !

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Re: Medieval Family History - taking the plunge...
« Reply #69 on: Saturday 07 June 08 10:03 BST (UK) »
I expect everyone remembers the furore that developed when Dan Brown's "The Da Vinci Code" came out...
I must say I got rather sucked up in it all myself and bought a book that covered the subject of being able to trace modern day descendants of Jesus Christ, called "The Magdalene Legacy" by Laurence Gardner"  In the back is a huge 4-page tree tracing forward from David (c. 1000 B.C) up to Galahad in the 6th/7thC A.D.
The whole idea spawned a whole industry of unlikely genealogy at the time...
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Re: Medieval Family History - taking the plunge...
« Reply #70 on: Saturday 14 June 08 10:31 BST (UK) »
 ;D Marie, take a look at my Scavenger Hunt.... all 6 parts. Norrey's galore. And a tree to 1100+ something. He is a messenger of the King of Norway...
We have family in Speke,Liverpool. Ricot, Oxon and Ockwells, Bray.....
added.. will pm you Marie, to save sabotage of Keith's thread  :-[

How's it going Keith.  ;)
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Re: Medieval Family History - taking the plunge...
« Reply #71 on: Saturday 14 June 08 11:28 BST (UK) »
Yes, well, Lesanne, I have the ones in Rycote Oxon, and Bray, only in the sources I have seen the place is spelled Ockholt. 

We are almost certainly related!  ;D

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