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Re: Thomas Bennett McBeth Marriage! Parents' death or anything
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 29 May 08 00:00 BST (UK) »
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Re: Thomas Bennett McBeth Marriage! Parents' death or anything
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 29 May 08 02:12 BST (UK) »
Hi Sparrett,

Mk2_Zephyr has beaten me to it - no birth for a T A G McBeth in 1875, 1874 or 1876, I'm sorry.

Mk2's reference to 'ITM' means checking the Intention to Marry Notice (this was essentially a marriage licence) usually completed a week prior to the wedding which gave information about the parties (see my post discussing Intention to Marry Notices at the top of this Board). Since the 1787 MCBETH/MASON marriage took place prior to 1880 I can check the ITM for you without needing the date or place if you'd like.

If you intend purchasing a copy of the marriage certificate I suggest that you request a original copy of the 1878 marriage, http://www.bdm.govt.nz/pubforms.nsf/URL/RequestforCertificateBDM93.pdf/$file/RequestforCertificateBDM93.pdf and not an Electronic Printout. With the former you will get a direct copy, while the latter is the result of someone's else transcription which never seems to include the witnesses!

This won't help with T A G McBeth. Do you have an age at death for him which might suggest what time period to look? And where did the date 1875 come from if it now appears to be incorrect?
 
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Re: Thomas Bennett McBeth Marriage! Parents' death or anything
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 29 May 08 03:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Riley
All your guidance is appreciated.

It is primarily the marriage which interests me.    I was seeing the supposed birth date of Thomas Albert,  which now seems highly doubtful, as a pointer to this marriage.

This obviously doubtful birth information came from a searcher who has a vast family tree on line. It was my first hint at a search in NZ. I do not know him and do not know his sources.

http://www.ozigen.com/p1445.htm

I am very pleased to have the marriage year for Elizabeth Catherine Mason and Thomas Bennett McBeth.

Not sure when the McBeths came to Australia, but from bdmNSW.

Death.  13015/1924. McBeth, Thomas B. F. William. M. Charlotte. Granville

Death.  16675/1941. McBeth, Elizabeth Catherine. F. James Samuel. m. Eliza.

Death. McBeth, Thomas Albert G. F. Thomas Beunett. M Elizabeth. Hurstville. 

A probable brother of Thomas Albert, [whose existence is supported by family chat]

Death.  27446/1953 McBeth, Robert Charles. F. Thomas. M. Elizabeth. Petersham.

A couple of marriages show for Thomas and Robert. 1903 and 1907.

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Re: Thomas Bennett McBeth Marriage! Parents' death or anything
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Re: Thomas Bennett McBeth Marriage! Parents' death or anything
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Re: Thomas Bennett McBeth Marriage! Parents' death or anything
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 29 May 08 11:17 BST (UK) »
Hi Sue

PapersPast gives Elizabeth MacBeth, described as the wife of Thomas MacBeth in the local Oamaru paper, The North Otago Times, Volume 1499, Issue XXV, 5 February 1877, Page 2 giving evidence at the inquest of a neighbour.

Unfortunately most other references that I saw refer to Shakespeare, but it does confirm residency and the locally accepted spelling of the name.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/browse.html

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Re: Thomas Bennett McBeth Marriage! Parents' death or anything
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 03 June 08 02:17 BST (UK) »
Hi Sue,

Here you go.

Intention to Marry Notice. Archives NZ Ref: BDM 20/23 1878 Timaru p. 793/43.
Notice dated 8 July: Thomas Bennett MCBETH, bachelor, a plasterer  aged 27 years living at Timaru (length of residence 4 years) to marry Elizabeth MASON, a spinster aged 27 years living at Timaru (length of residence 4 years) at the Registrar’s Office, Timaru.

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Re: Thomas Bennett McBeth Marriage! Parents' death or anything
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 03 June 08 09:09 BST (UK) »
Thank you Riley and Terry. ;D ;D ;D ;D

The newspaper item that Terry found made very interesting reading.  It was a little eerie to read the words of an ancestor as she spoke at the inquest regarding the death of a neighbour.  Quite wonderful.

The intention to marry notice tells me such a lot!

It begins to look as if they knew each other at home in England [both were born in Middlesex]
Both had been in the same place in NZ..Timaru, up to the application
Both their fathers were in builidng, Elizabeth's father was a builder and Thomas' a carpenter and now I see that Thomas was a plasterer.
They arrived in the same year, making it possible they travelled together.

In the inquest notice dated 1877 that Terry found Elizabeth declares herself to be the wife of Thomas MacBeth even though the marriage was not till 1878.

So we have the common- law marriage situation. Probably the birth date of of  the son Thomas Albert [1875 per another researcher, unsubstantiated] may well be correct. Just after the arrival of the couple into NZ.

By the late 1880's the family were in Sydney and, when Elizabeth's nephew stowed away on a ship from England, he finally made his way to her and Tom McBeth who looked after him in Sydney.  He was 16 years old and was dumped in Adelaide, the ships first port of call, with nothing.

Warmest thanks to all who have taken an intererst in my mystery.  I have learnt much more than just some facts about my ancestors.  I appreciate the time put in on my account.

Regards, Sue
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Re: Thomas Bennett McBeth Marriage! Parents' death or anything
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 03 June 08 09:22 BST (UK) »
Hi Sue,

I've just remembered to tell you that I also checked the RGO Birth Indexes for T A G McBeth up to 1890 but didn't find him.

Could he have been born in AUS? Do you have his age at death? I cannot understand why I can't find him.

Regards, riley

ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL