George KELLY in Auckland in 1900 - COMPLETED

[cando]

I have a copy of a letter written by George KELLY [b.c1840 Banaghor, Kings County, Ireland] in 1900 with the address Box 39, Auckland, to my OH's gg grandfather in South Australia.  He only speaks in general terms of his family - "I am married with nine children all grown up and with the exception of two, all away from home.  I am engaged in mercantile pursuits..."  Not much help really.  He mentions being 60 years of age and  being in Australia and New Zealand since 1856 and as a result of that snippet of info have found the following-

Unassisted Immigrants arriving at Victoria

KELLY   George    Age 16      Jan   1856   PHOENIX   Port B   Fiche 105  Pge 006

George married Emily DANDO in 1870 but two children were born - Charles William 1867 and  Florence 1869.  George married Emily in 1870 in Sandridge [Melbourne] - not Geelong where they were living.  I have the correct George as his father, John and his occupation Sub Inspector Royal Irish Constabulary, were noted on the marriage certificate.

Two more children were born - Emily Elizabeth 1871 and George Ernest in 1873.

George's occupation on all the certificates is Draper, however George was a tad naughty as he stated on the chns' birth certificates that he and Emily were married in Majorca, Mediterranean in 1866    Wonder why they tied the knot again in Sandridge in 1870!!  A touch of keeping up appearances and let's hope the neighbours don't find out

Then George and family sailed to New Zealand

Index to Outward Passengers to Interstate, UK, NZ and Foreign Ports 1852-1886

                           Ship
KELLY   MR   29 OTAGO    Sep 1874 New Zealand
KELLY   MRS   28 OTAGO Sep 1874 New Zealand
KELLY   Charles 7 OTAGO  Sep 1874 New Zealand
KELLY   Emily   3 OTAGO     Sep 1874 New Zealand
KELLY   Florence 5 OTAGO   Sep 1874 New Zealand
KELLY   Geo 2   OTAGO     Sep 1874 New Zealand

The ages of George and Emily are incorrect the the childrens' names and ages are correct with the exception of George.

Where to from here?  I would appreciate some advice.  I have looked at some of the websites for Auckland - cemetery searches etc. but to date have not been successful in furthering my research.

Cheers
cando

[Thamesite2017]

Does George have a middle name?

Theres a Charles William buried Karori Cem 1923 aged 55
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/cemeteries/search/search.php

Bye
althea

[cando]

Does George have a middle name?

Theres a Charles William buried Karori Cem 1923 aged 55
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/cemeteries/search/search.php

Bye
althea

Not to my knowledge. 

Thank you for the link and Charles William - looks like George's son.  Much appreciated.

Cheers
Cando

Edit - I think Florence Emily KELLY, spinster, died 28 Jn 1929 aged 60 could be another one.

[Thamesite2017]

There are so many George Kelly's sadly
Interesting looking at Papers past adverts a George Kelly was Hallensteins manager wellington 1890's

http://www.rootschat.com/links/03gn/

Charles probate, he is a Police sgt

As they arrived at Otago maybe Papers past have some info for that area

If Florence was born 19/1/1876 she went to Caversham School Dunedin
looks like right family as Charles born 19/6/1867 is there to.
Bye
Althea

[cando]

Hi Althea

Thank you - I have also been trawling through Paperspast.

George, being a draper, would certainly be a candidate for the manager's job in the advert.  Thank you.

I don't know whether or not they landed at Otago - the name of the ship was Otaga 

Oh good - some school records.  That's great. Thank you.
Florence was born in 1869 [the only child for whom I don't have a birth cert]  Charles William was born 12 Jun 1867 - written in full on his birth certificate.   

I wonder if I will ever find the names of the five children born in New Zealand....I live in hope....but it is early days

I am if wondering George and Emily died in Auckland - I have searched/trawled the online cemetery indexes - they may be buried at Waitakere Cemetery. I have found the office staff to be extremely helpful...may give them a call.

Would have been so much easier if George had been given a 2nd name!

Cheers
Cando

[Thamesite2017]

Yes middle names are great....

Yes the ship was the Otago and landed Otago area
http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/shipping/mig-nz2.htm#nz2 you can see some voyages

The ship left Melbourne 9 sep 1874
Bye
Althea

[DotBrennan]

Hi Cando

Following on from the info already provided by Althea…..
These may, or may not, be yours….

Charles William b1867
No marriage for a “Charles William” but there is this which might be him:
1894 Folio Ref: 2470
Charles KELLY
Florence Emily SILBERY

Working backwards:
1893 Electoral Roll:
Charles William KELLY
Constable
O’Rorke St, Auckland

(Fits in with the probate stating he was a Police Sgt).

Karori Cemetery MI
ILMO Charles William KELLY d 28 Feb 1923 a 55yrs.  Deeply mourned,  Florence Emily KELLY d 27 Jun 1929 a 60yrs.

When I first saw this I thought it was brother and sister, but given the above marriage it is probably husband & wife.

If you contact the cemetery, they should be able to tell you who purchased the plot, so hopefully you will find out if it was “Miss” or “Mrs” Kelly.
I have always found them extremely helpful.

Karori Cemetery Office
76 Old Karori Road
Karori
(04) 476 6109
(04) 476 8242
cemeteries@wcc.govt.nz



Florence b1869
1893 Electoral Roll:
Florence KELLY
Domestic Duties
Chapel St, St Alban’s, Ch’ch


Emily Elizabeth b1871
NZ Marriage 1891 Folio Ref: 2473
Emily Elizabeth KELLY
Samuel MacKey McGEE

1893 Electoral Roll:
Emily Elizabeth McGEE
Domestic Duties
143 Cashel St, Linwood, Ch’ch

Samuel MacKay McGEE
Commercial Traveller
143 Cashel St, Linwood, Ch’ch


George Ernest b1873.
No marriages or Electoral Roll entries specifically for “George Ernest”


George & Emily (parents)

1881 Electoral Roll:
These are the only entries for George:
Labourer, Hamilton East
Civil Servant, Bay of Islands
Cook, Dunedin

He may not have qualified to vote.

1893 Electoral Roll:

(Mother & Daughter?? or daughter in law?)
Emily
Fruiterer
Grey St, Auck.

Emily
House Duties
Grey St, Auck.

George:
Draper, St Albans, Ch’ch

There were no entries for a George in Auckland at the same address….
So did Mum & the kids move to Auckland while George stayed in Christchurch with daughter Florence…?


I hope I haven’t confused the issue!


Bren.

[cando]

Thank you so  much for all that information Bren.  I will follow up your suggestions.  You haven't confused the issue.  It is surprising how often information that on first reading you may think is not your family and later proves to be most valuable

Florence Emily who died aged 60 in 1829 is listed as a spinster....so it may be Florence b. 1869.  I will contact the cemetery to see if they can help me further.

KELLY    Florence Emily  Aged 60  Occupation Spinster
Buried on 28-06-1929
Cemetery    Karori
Section CH ENG2 Plot# 227 G  Record# 84095.

and Charles William is in
Section   CH ENG2  Plot# 227 G Record# 84094

Searching in NZ is a big learning experience for me...and I am trawling through all the resources listed.

I was hoping when George emigrated he may have stayed put!!!   I was also hoping he died in Auckland seeing that was his address in 1900/1901 and he was aged 60.  He didn't mention his wife in the letters only his nine children.

Thank you once again.

Cheers
Cando

[Thamesite2017]

Hi Cando
following a child may lead you back to the father??
I have the Auckland Directory 1894-95 (A Street directory) at present here as by chance and the problem arises more with the name...there are lots of George Kelly's thorughout NZ and 4 in Auckland
George Kelly, Papkura
George Kelly, Parua
George Kelly, Horsebreaker, Opotiki
George F Kelly, May St, Mt Eden

I am swayed to if they are in Auckland the papakura one is them because there is a School entry for a George family of papakura going to a catholic school 1886 ??that could be youngest Geo going ti High school?

there is a Richard Kelly b 25/10/1881 father George going to Papakura public school

The school records are just making things confusing there are Kelly children who have been at Paeroa, then to Cambridge and then to Auckland..so nothing could be concluded...apart from finding a fellow researcher, marriage certs of the children you know may be only hope to following there whereabouts

Bye
Althea