Help me I'm confused...

[forthefamily]

Ok I have this person that I cannot find but I think it may be because I'm looking in the wrong place....

Where oh where are these places 

Ashton Under Lyne and Ashton under Lyme...I google and get conflicting info....I read somewhere that they are the same place    Needless to say that was confusing 

On the various census that I'm looking at it says that the person was from Lancashire and then from Staffordshire.....

I'm lost. Help 

mab

[geniecolgan]

Hi Mab,

there are two places .....

Ashton-under-Lyne is in Greater Manchester, Lanc's.

but there is a village of Ashton-under-Lyme in the Forrest of Lime, Staff's.

[forthefamily]

Thanks my friend ......I think I'm having an Ernest moment    I cannot find them.... it's possibly a scavenger hunt thingy......I've exhausted every  possible trick I know trying to figure it out and find them 

mab

[geniecolgan]

Well, you know ALL the tricks so they must be hiding on purpose

Stick 'em on here, someone will have a go.

[stanmapstone]

Hi Mab,

but there is a village of Ashton-under-Lyme in the Forrest of Lime, Staff's.

I'd be interested to know where it is as I cannot find it listed in any gazetteer or directory  There is Newcastle-under-Lyme in Staffordshire.

As for Ashton-under-Lyme and Ashton-under-Lyne, it is the same place.
There is some confusion over the origin of the "Lyne" element. A number of sources suggest that it refers to the place being under the line of the nearby Pennine hills. However, the name has only been spelt this way in modern times so this explanation seems unlikely.

One document of 1422 refers to the town as "Ashton sub Lima". Ashton later became known as "Ashton under Lyme". The name seems to have become changed to "Ashton under Lyne" by the time of the Victorian era.
http://www.ashton-under-lyne.com/history/name.htm


Stan

[forthefamily]

Ah Stan...now you see my dilemma....... I'm trying to find an Arabella Dooley in 1841 to prove a theory I have about her family but I can't...

1841 - not found
1851 - she's from Ashton under Line, Lancashire
1861 - Ashton, Lancashire
1871 - not found
1881 - not found
1891 - Ashton under Lyme, Lancashire
1901 - Ashton under Lyme, Staffordshire

I suspect that part of the 1841 census I need is missing and that's why I'm having so much difficulty.

mab

[Necromancer]

Hi Mab, I suspect the 1901 Enumerator copying from his Household schedules inserted 'Sta' in front of Ashton as her PoB and thus interpreted it as Ashton under Lyme, Staffs.


According to the 1841, the Parish was :-


Civil Parish: Ashton Under Lyne 
Hundred: Salford 
County/Island: Lancashire 
 
Registration district: Ashton and Oldham 
Sub registration districts:
Ashton Town 
Audenshaw and Droylsden 
Hartshead 
Knott Lanes 



whatever, i cant see her at the moment .... given her sisters PoB, they ought to be in the Liverpool area ......
 

[geniecolgan]

Stan,

I stand corrected    The ref I found was "unsourced" and therefore unreliable.

Ashton-under-Lyme or Line must refer to the Ashton in the Greater Manchester, Lanc's area. 

[forthefamily]

Thank you Newfster  ...and Genie and Stan

The Dooleys have been a pain to find.....

mab